Don't you just hate....?

Please don't spread ignorance and fear mongering

Now that pissed me off. I was offered a job in Kuwait. I researched the place. They have capital punishment for gay people there in the region, so don't tell me about scaremongering when people die. FFS.

So, Taysby, you'd have no problem thrown in the same lot with the Christie stalker, since you're a white male, who has gone on record saying some condescending things about females?
I guess I'll have to watch you and have you stay away from any celebrities. You'll have to move to Iowa now ok?

The thing is, of course there are great, peaceful, friendly Muslims who wouldn't hurt a fly, however there are also Muslims who believe infidels, gay people, and the wrong kinds of Muslims should be killed. The peaceful ones are an unfortunate minority. I don't hate Muslims, or anything of the sort. I don't make judgements on someone based on whether or not they are Islamic, because the ones who live here, in the US, are a large part of that peaceful minority. It's a big religion though, and across the world, there's more violence and hate than you think. Fearmongering is stupid, but so is ignorance and insistence on not being offensive to anyone ever. Peaceful Muslims might tell you that extremists aren't true Muslims, but the extremists would tell you the opposite too. I'm inclined to believe the peaceful minority, but Islam is still the connection and instigating factor behind the terroristic groups executing Jews and Christians, beheading other Muslims, and shooting up our gay clubs.

Quote from: Kaylesh on June 13, 2016, 05:04:51 AM

So, Taysby, you'd have no problem thrown in the same lot with the Christie stalker, since you're a white male, who has gone on record saying some condescending things about females?
I guess I'll have to watch you and have you stay away from any celebrities. You'll have to move to Iowa now ok?

go .love. yourself.

And I didn't direct that just to him, I directed it to everyone. You don't seem to care what I mean spencer so you're being an ass and this is why we can't have discussions without name calling

I am doing nothing but quoting your sentences. I did not resort to name calling. You should be a bit calmer and more careful in sentence structure before you go off guns blazing. In the beginning I quoted this:

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2016, 07:18:09 PM

No, I'm not racist

I quoted this because I thought it humorous that you had to say you weren't being racist when there have been quite a few discussions were I have thought otherwise.

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2016, 09:50:53 PM

A lot of them

Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 13, 2016, 01:48:08 AM

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2016, 11:37:36 PM

I'm not generalizing

I quoted this because it was contradictory to what you had just said. You need to be a little more mature man.

I think he meant what I said.

I suggest you review the quote below, especially point #1.
The thing is, discussions are to be based on what you say. You were not saying what Apathy said, and your defense to quotes was: "that wasn't what I said" or "that wasn't what I meant". I suggest you say what you mean, and think about what you want to say.

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Apathy, your facts seem to be discordant with figures given by intelligence agencies:

Not according to Angel Rabasa, who is a senior political scientist at the RAND corporation. While conducting research for a 2014 book he coauthored, "Euro Jihad," he found that Western European intelligence agencies estimated that less than one percent of the Muslim population living within their borders are at risk for becoming radicals.

Note that this is an extrapolation of estimates gathered in Europe; Gabriel’s claim refers to a percentage of Muslims worldwide. That total number is more than 1.6 billion, according to the Pew Research Center.

m.csmonitor......facts-please

Apathy, your facts seem to be discordant with figures given by intelligence agencies:

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Not according to Angel Rabasa, who is a senior political scientist at the RAND corporation. While conducting research for a 2014 book he coauthored, "Euro Jihad," he found that Western European intelligence agencies estimated that less than one percent of the Muslim population living within their borders are at risk for becoming radicals.

Note that this is an extrapolation of estimates gathered in Europe; Gabriel’s claim refers to a percentage of Muslims worldwide. That total number is more than 1.6 billion, according to the Pew Research Center.

m.csmonitor......facts-please

I don't believe I said anything about Europe, or the number of 'at-risk-of-becoming-radicals' in Europe. My facts were simply my view on the subject at hand, which I believe is pretty reasonable.

....The peaceful ones are an unfortunate minority....

Facts are facts, views are views. Especially in the case of sensitive topics like this, it is wise to not mix them.

Yet, I agree Islam is being used by oppressive regimes to exert power. However, it is my opinion that while we should be vigilant against those who would seek to harm us, we should also be wary to shy away the tolerant Muslims until they feel they have nowhere left to go but to the countries and powers that will subvert them into extremism, perhaps even against their will.

Quote from: Apathy Reactor on June 13, 2016, 10:42:50 AM

....The peaceful ones are an unfortunate minority....

Facts are facts, views are views. Especially in the case of sensitive topics like this, it is wise to not mix them.

Yet, I agree Islam is being used by oppressive regimes to exert power. However, it is my opinion that while we should be vigilant against those who would seek to harm us, we should also be wary to shy away the tolerant Muslims until they feel they have nowhere left to go but to the countries and powers that will subvert them into extremism, perhaps even against their will.

Fair enough, and I'm with you on that.

Quote from: Kaylesh on June 14, 2016, 11:06:52 AM

Quote from: Apathy Reactor on June 13, 2016, 10:42:50 AM

....The peaceful ones are an unfortunate minority....

Facts are facts, views are views. Especially in the case of sensitive topics like this, it is wise to not mix them.

Yet, I agree Islam is being used by oppressive regimes to exert power. However, it is my opinion that while we should be vigilant against those who would seek to harm us, we should also be wary to shy away the tolerant Muslims until they feel they have nowhere left to go but to the countries and powers that will subvert them into extremism, perhaps even against their will.

Fair enough, and I'm with you on that.

Rereading I realize there's an important *not* missing between to and shy. We should take care not to drive the "good" ones into the clutches of the "bad", so to speak.

Quote from: Apathy Reactor on June 14, 2016, 12:36:21 PM

Quote from: Kaylesh on June 14, 2016, 11:06:52 AM

Quote from: Apathy Reactor on June 13, 2016, 10:42:50 AM

....The peaceful ones are an unfortunate minority....

Facts are facts, views are views. Especially in the case of sensitive topics like this, it is wise to not mix them.

Yet, I agree Islam is being used by oppressive regimes to exert power. However, it is my opinion that while we should be vigilant against those who would seek to harm us, we should also be wary to shy away the tolerant Muslims until they feel they have nowhere left to go but to the countries and powers that will subvert them into extremism, perhaps even against their will.

Fair enough, and I'm with you on that.

Rereading I realize there's an important *not* missing between to and shy. We should take care not to drive the "good" ones into the clutches of the "bad", so to speak.

I knew what you meant though.

I did. But nobody cares. They just want to trip me up on wording so I can be that "idiot bigoted racist conservative" they think I am

Maybe we simply think that you are capable of clear communications, as Apathy Reactor is, you just decide to ignore us and spend your time doing things other than editing your own posts for clarity? If we do, small wonder we do not appreciate.

^ I think you hit the nail on the head:

Taysby: we often correct or quote you to point out how inherently your statements can come across quite abrasive or ignorant; it doesn't mean that we don't like you or are out to get you. It's mainly a "maybe reread before you submit" I don't think anyone wants to identify a community member in such a defaulting label.

To be ignorant is not to be an idiot, but rather to not have knowledge of a subject. Don't base your facts off what the tv tells you, read multiple sources, both liberal and conservative so you can find middle ground and then you can wash off the political agendas in the left/right articles.

The "Muslim" in question for the Orlando pulse club shooting apparently was dabbling in the gay culture and for some reason he chose to lash out at people he was semi identifying with. That's just a crazy person being a domestic terrorist, just the same as any of the white boys who decided to shoot up a church of black people, a theatre of movie goers, a school of children. There's no ISIS or Al Qaeda agenda here. Just a nut job who decided it was his right to take the lives of others.

Remember Timothy mcveigh or the unabomber? White domestic terrorist, but our media chooses to go with the "he's got mental problems" rather than labeling them as domestic terrorist.


Yes, some Muslim countries are very strict on their policies, but aren't Christian based countries too? The new Filipino president elect stated: "if someone tries to sell you drugs and they won't let you arrest them, then you can kill them"

See how extreme that is? You can basically accuse someone of trying to sell you drugs and then kill them.
Edit 2: source www.cnn.com/.....vigilantism/

That's stupid and idiotic. Christian based country...


Edit: boys was boy's and that bugs me as there was no proper possessive in that sentence