Evil twin/clone

Started by Imdowd80, July 24, 2012, 09:23:17 PM

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Imdowd80

If I {clone} an {evil twin}. What happens?  Can I kill the evil twin with the clone? Or will I have to pick a new creature to clone that is then an evil twin clone that I can kill?  I'm not being wise, this happened te other night.

Jroch314

I would say U cannot clone the actual evil twin because that card doesn't exist anymore. U can clone the evil twin which in turn will give u a copy of whatever creature the evil twin copied and it will have the additional ability given by the evil twin. Then you can use that ability to destroy the evil twin copy or the original creature if it's still on the BF. But if you don't own the evil twin there's a good chance your Clone will get destroyed before you can destroy theirs. Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Not 100% sure which is why I'm not gaveling.

BlackJester

Are we talking a plain Evil Twin that didn't copy anything, or one that is actually a copy of a different card?

Greg54js

Cloning a clone results in another copy of the target of the first clone.
Ex. Opponent {cackling counterpart}s his {insectile aberration}. You in turn {clone} his counter parted aberration. This results in a copy of a copy.

Now the same thing applies in your situation except there is the EvTw ability on the copy. This ability can only be activated when the creature loses summoning sickness or gains haste


Greg54js

Quote from: Testset on July 24, 2012, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on July 24, 2012, 09:44:58 PM
Cloning a clone results in another copy of the target of the first clone.
Ex. Opponent {cackling counterpart}s his {insectile aberration}. You in turn {clone} his counter parted aberration. This results in a copy of a copy.
Will it get the {Evil Twin}'s ability though?
Yes you posted while I was editing my post lol

Imdowd80

Quote from: BlackJester on July 24, 2012, 09:44:25 PM
Are we talking a plain Evil Twin that didn't copy anything, or one that is actually a copy of a different card?
An evil twin that is a copy of another creature.

Greg54js

Haha it's okay I get it :)

Greg54js



(pending Jester or scarsabrex's approval)

BlackJester

Yeah, sure.  You got this.

Bonus:  If the Evil Twin didn't copy anything when it hit play (and is somehow still alive, let's say something's giving it +1/+1), then a Body double entering play as a copy of it will be able to chose a different creature on the board AND gain the "{U}{B},T:Destroy target creature with the same name as this creature." ability.

But, if the buffed twin is the only creature on the table, you'll copy it, it's 0/0 status, and if you have a buff too, you wouldn't gain the above ability.

And don't even ask about the interaction between Evil Twin and {Essence of the Wild}....

Tetsomori

What is the interaction?

Greg54js

Quote from: Tetsomori on July 25, 2012, 01:20:31 AM
What is the interaction?
Essence makes everything that enters after it a copy of essence. So you can try and use the evil twin but it won't be able to copy anything because it's already a copy of essence.

I think the stacking of abilities is twins goes on first followed by essence's. Essence's resolves leaving the other stranded on the stack

Jroch314

I was always under the impression when two things happen at the exact same time that you get to choose which order they go on the stack.

Greg54js

Quote from: Jroch314 on July 25, 2012, 11:33:06 AM
I was always under the impression when two things happen at the exact same time that you get to choose which order they go on the stack.
I guess it could work that way but I'm not a rules guy

BlackJester

Quote from: Jroch314 on July 25, 2012, 11:33:06 AM
I was always under the impression when two things happen at the exact same time that you get to choose which order they go on the stack.
When two things would trigger, yes.  But if two replacement effects would replace the same event with something else, (say {Planar Void} and {Wheel of Sun and Moon}) the affected player decides which to apply, this doesn't use the stack.  Similar idea, just want to be clear. 

Ghebert

Does {Essences of the Wild}'s ability go on the stack?