What do you believe in?

[Legion468]

I don't think the church should have the right to say what is sinful they have done plenty of wrong over the years like puting to death women just because they thought they were witches then they use god to justify their actions.

[BlackJester]

For quite some time that was exactly the case, BJ.

Why do you think I brought it up?  And yet, married Christian moms and dads are not persecuted for having sex with a condom, using birth control, getting vasectomies.

Is it a matter of degrees here, or an absolute?  (non-rhetorical)

[Coffee Vampire]

Do I think gays should be allowed to be married? Well I am not sure yet. I am not admitting to completely understanding homosexuality and if it can be changed or not. I have heard stories of a lot of gaus changing, but I just don't know.

But why should religious values affect everyone? In America, we haven't legalized "gay" marriage. Why not? Because we allow religion into the government and force that belief on other people. I think church should stay out of goverment, and stay out of people's sex lives. It's fine to speak your opinion, just don't try to legalize it.

That's why I clearly said that I don't have the answer. To make it even more clear, I do not think gays SHOULD marry eachother. That's my own belief. But I could never allow or disallow them to be married legally because my religion would interfere. If I believe something is wrong, should I believe it should be illegal?

That I do not fully know the answer to. But I do know this:

God created us with a free will to sin. He didn't make us robots. We make our own choices for good or bad. That being said, gay marriage does not effect others or harm their rights. So I guess I would lean towards it being fair that they should be able to get married in all states.

But like I said, I don't fully know. I cannot fully understand homosexuality so I am not one to decide whether they should get married

[Silent1236]

I'm Christian and I'm fully anti-gay.  I agree with Coffee, it is unnatural.  It really figures that my dad just left for Haiti, he could point me to all kinds of biblical stuff backing it.  If need be, let me know and I will take the time and go look it all up.  I have read things in the Bible against homosexuality. 

[BlackJester]

I've also seen dogs with diseases do very odd things. I am just pointing out that just because some things do certain things, does not mean it is natural.

I may be wrong that homosexuality is unnatural. Maybe it is God's world perfected. I am not always right. But still that isn't a very convincing argument for something being natural (just because some things do it).

Also, I never said that the only purpose of sex is to reproduce. That's silly. Sex feels good and that's a fact and people like it! I am just saying male and females seem to "work" much better with eachother than with their own kind. Thus seeming more natural. Just an observation.

My argument is that EVERYTHING is natural because everything is a part of nature.  Cities, Airplanes, Pokemon, all exist on the planet and nothing exists outside of nature.  Nature is the iPhone you are typing on.


And I don't see why males and males or females and females don't "work" together when it comes to feeling good.  Heck, samezise should work better because they are familiar with the equipment.    
I know you are talking about the "lock-and-key" and not "key-and-key", but you can do a lot of fun things with locks and with keys outside of the standard practice.

[Coffee Vampire]

I'm Christian and I'm fully anti-gay.  I agree with Coffee, it is unnatural.  It really figures that my dad just left for Haiti, he could point me to all kinds of biblical stuff backing it.  If need be, let me know and I will take the time and go look it all up.  I have read things in the Bible against homosexuality.

Just be careful when quoting scripture. Know what the rule for realitors is? It's "Location, location, location!" The rule for scriptire is "CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT!" Always make sure you are in context.

Also be absolutely sure to study the original latin or whatever lagniage a specific verse or book was written in. Some words mean different things in the original, and different versions of the Bible are modernized in speech and thus slightly mieading sometimes.

[Phat Max]

Romans 1:26 & 27. Had to ask, my memory of verse placement is atrocious, lol.

Religious standards have found their way into society long before any of us existed. It's just the way it is.

[Coffee Vampire]

I've also seen dogs with diseases do very odd things. I am just pointing out that just because some things do certain things, does not mean it is natural.

I may be wrong that homosexuality is unnatural. Maybe it is God's world perfected. I am not always right. But still that isn't a very convincing argument for something being natural (just because some things do it).

Also, I never said that the only purpose of sex is to reproduce. That's silly. Sex feels good and that's a fact and people like it! I am just saying male and females seem to "work" much better with eachother than with their own kind. Thus seeming more natural. Just an observation.

My argument is that EVERYTHING is natural because everything is a part of nature.  Cities, Airplanes, Pokemon, all exist on the planet and nothing exists outside of nature.  Nature is the iPhone you are typing on.


And I don't see why males and males or females and females don't "work" together when it comes to feeling good.  Heck, samezise should work better because they are familiar with the equipment.    
I know you are talking about the "lock-and-key" and not "key-and-key", but you can do a lot of fun things with locks and with keys outside of the standard practice.

And that's where we disagree. Because of my religion I don't think of certain practices as natural, like incest, homosexuality, or dogs dry humping dogs of the same gender. I believe while some things change, some things have a natural order that is meant to be.

But hey, that's why this thread is here: to state beliefs.

[Dudecore]

If one is to get their morality from the bible, and homosexuality is sin. Then another group of sins, are also in the bible.

You should kill your neighbors for working on Sunday.

You should eradicate cities of non-believers.

You should kill your friends and family for not believing.

You should kill your children for talking back.

You should have slaves.

Now if you choose to pick and choose the morality of the bible, then you've committed a sin. The bible is the word of god. No where in the bible does it say "take these things a lessons/alagory/parabol". It is the word of god.

It's hypocritical to detest gays while not following the literal word of your god.

I find more often then not, people are disgusted by homosexual activity, and that is fine for you to be freaked out by it. But it's not ok to say its immoral, unnatural or should be outlawed.

[Coffee Vampire]

If one is to get their morality from the bible, and homosexuality is sin. Then another group of sins, are also in the bible.

You should kill your neighbors for working on Sunday.

You should eradicate cities of non-believers.

You should kill your friends and family for not believing.

You should kill your children for talking back.

You should have slaves.

Now if you choose to pick and choose the morality of the bible, then you've committed a sin. The bible is the word of god. No where in the bible does it say "take these things a lessons/alagory/parabol". It is the word of god.

It's hypocritical to detest gays while not following the literal word of your god.

I find more often then not, people are disgusted by homosexual activity, and that is fine for you to be freaked out by it. But it's not ok to say its immoral, unnatural or should be outlawed.

I have one word for this post: misrepresentation.

Even from the start you say Christians think homosexuality is sin. That isn't true. Christians believe that homosexual practice is a sin, not being homosexual. Being homosexual is fine just like being inclined to steal. It's hard to resist temptations and different ones are harder than others. That's what we believe.

And it never says in the Bible you should kill people for working on Sunday, etc.

Instead of misrepresenting others' beliefs, why don't you stick to representing your own.

[Phat Max]

I'd be more inclined to respond if you had the verses for those points.. But without them, it's simply a flaming post.

Anyone believe Scientology? Seems like a scam to me, but I wouldn't mind be enlightened.

[BlackJester]

I'm Christian and I'm fully anti-gay.  I agree with Coffee, it is unnatural.  It really figures that my dad just left for Haiti, he could point me to all kinds of biblical stuff backing it.  If need be, let me know and I will take the time and go look it all up.  I have read things in the Bible against homosexuality.

Just be careful when quoting scripture. Know what the rule for realitors is? It's "Location, location, location!" The rule for scriptire is "CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT!" Always make sure you are in context.

Also be absolutely sure to study the original latin or whatever lagniage a specific verse or book was written in. Some words mean different things in the original, and different versions of the Bible are modernized in speech and thus slightly mieading sometimes.

I wholeheartedly agree!  I only wish that all practicing Christains would learn Latin and read the original Bible.  Alas.

I have also heard that in translation it takes but a minor mistake to go from maiden - young girl, to maid - virgin.  But virgin birth sounds way cooler than young girl got preggers.

[Dudecore]

If one is to get their morality from the bible, and homosexuality is sin. Then another group of sins, are also in the bible.

You should kill your neighbors for working on Sunday.

You should eradicate cities of non-believers.

You should kill your friends and family for not believing.

You should kill your children for talking back.

You should have slaves.

Now if you choose to pick and choose the morality of the bible, then you've committed a sin. The bible is the word of god. No where in the bible does it say "take these things a lessons/alagory/parabol". It is the word of god.

It's hypocritical to detest gays while not following the literal word of your god.

I find more often then not, people are disgusted by homosexual activity, and that is fine for you to be freaked out by it. But it's not ok to say its immoral, unnatural or should be outlawed.

I have one word for this post: misrepresentation.

Not hardly. I'll explain further.

Even from the start you say Christians think homosexuality is sin. That isn't true. Christians believe that homosexual practice is a sin, not being homosexual. Being homosexual is fine just like being inclined to steal. It's hard to resist temptations and different ones are harder than others. That's what we believe.

Lessons learned from the bible. Correct? My point is still valid, you're not not a believer.

And it never says in the Bible you should kill people for working on Sunday, etc.

How certain are we? Because I'll just source them later when I'm home. Leviticus 18:22 is the "thou shall not lay with another man", but the whole of Leviticus 18 has some pretty severe punishment for heterosexual crimes too. But non the less, we continue.

Instead of misrepresenting others' beliefs, why don't you stick to representing your own.

It's just convenient, isn't it?

[Piotr]

Simply put, if you understand the central nervous system (CNS)

Well. We don't

Perhaps not completely, but how about the action of neurons and action potential?

I wouldn't go there as you will stop at quantum level where determinism dies horrible death. But more so because it's like claiming that you understand V12s because you have seen a screw.

[BlackJester]

I'd be more inclined to respond if you had the verses for those points.. But without them, it's simply a flaming post.

Anyone believe Scientology? Seems like a scam to me, but I wouldn't mind be enlightened.

In my personal view, which is really worthless here but I'll give it anyway, I do think it's a scam.  But in a different way.  I think that it's REALLY a tax scam.  It was written by a guy who wanted to use religion as a guise to get tax breaks from the gov't and then vanish.

What do I know, really?  Just what makes sense to me based on what I've read of Scientology.  Still, if you're going to have a religious text, way to add aliens and spaceships and make it an exciting read!  XD