What do you believe in?

Started by Sevenfold, July 23, 2012, 04:41:37 AM

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Munchlax

Quote from: Piotr on August 04, 2014, 07:22:26 AM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 03, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?

Evolution is proven by mathematical evolutionary algorithms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_algorithm
Did you just site Wikipedia? That's just as bad as admitting defeat...

Mlerner12

No, Wikipedia is 95% correct.

But no, it is a theory, it's not 100% proven entirely.

And if his law doesn't care if I think I'm telling the truth he defines lie incorrectly- if I believe it it's not a lie.

Mlerner12

Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 03:03:10 PM
No, Wikipedia is 95% correct.

But no, it is a theory, it's not 100% proven entirely.

And if his law doesn't care if I think I'm telling the truth he defines lie incorrectly- if I believe it it's not a lie.

A law is a summary of observed behavior.  Have you ever dropped a pen and had it go up?  No!

And you think an 8th grader is more logical than every single science website out there and every scientist that does it for a living?  Not to be rude, but that just isn't logical.
No, I don't, but I'm logical enough.

And that doesn't mean it can't.

Mlerner12

Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 03:54:29 PM
logical enough doesn't mean you think they're wrong that it's a law.

You don't know what a law means mlerner.  go look it up then come back.  I've posted enough links.

http://adamkemp.newsvine.com/_news/2007/01/09/513465-the-nature-of-science-why-gravity-is-just-a-theory

They're all theories.

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 05:42:00 PM
You don't know the definition of law and theory.  I've said it multiple times. 

Yes, in science anything can change based off of evidence, however, gravity is a law.

And that is one person's opinion ed/rant.
Actually no mlerner is right. Unless you test all gravity everywhere and it fits the bill, it's just a theory.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Levi, Human Legion on August 04, 2014, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 05:42:00 PM
You don't know the definition of law and theory.  I've said it multiple times. 

Yes, in science anything can change based off of evidence, however, gravity is a law.

And that is one person's opinion ed/rant.
Actually no mlerner is right. Unless you test all gravity everywhere and it fits the bill, it's just a theory.
Actually, you are both right."A law is just a part of a theory that can be stated in the form of a single sentence or a single equation. Newton's law of gravity is the statement that the force by which a particle of mass M acts on a particle of mass m has magnitude GMm/r2 and direction from m to M. Newton's theory of gravity is the framework that contains this law and everything else you need to calculate the motion of particles influenced by this law. A theory doesn't ever stop being a theory just because sufficient evidence to support it has been found. There's no word that means "theory with lots of evidence to support it"." -my college level physics textbook.

Piotr

Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 10:37:44 AM
*except for punishment.  You violated it first by lying, so he is justified in punishing you.

And mlerner, take a basic science class.  A law is a summary of observed behavior, and a theory is a prediction of what will happen.  I probably didn't define it the best way possible, but whatever.

Gravity is a law because it's a summary of what we have seen and there is not one scrap of evidence to disprove it.
I'm in AP biology next year as an 8th grader, I know basic science.

It's a theory because it's not proven 100%. Scientists are still working on it.

I didn't lie. I actually believe it. It's not a lie and it would be unjustified.

You have been told you are spreading a lie, now stop or I'll stop forgiving you.

Same for the other smartass who can't decide what's his name.

InfinitiveDivinity

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blackychan1

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 04, 2014, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: Levi, Human Legion on August 04, 2014, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 05:42:00 PM
You don't know the definition of law and theory.  I've said it multiple times. 

Yes, in science anything can change based off of evidence, however, gravity is a law.

And that is one person's opinion ed/rant.
Actually no mlerner is right. Unless you test all gravity everywhere and it fits the bill, it's just a theory.
Actually, you are both right."A law is just a part of a theory that can be stated in the form of a single sentence or a single equation. Newton's law of gravity is the statement that the force by which a particle of mass M acts on a particle of mass m has magnitude GMm/r2 and direction from m to M. Newton's theory of gravity is the framework that contains this law and everything else you need to calculate the motion of particles influenced by this law. A theory doesn't ever stop being a theory just because sufficient evidence to support it has been found. There's no word that means "theory with lots of evidence to support it"." -my college level physics textbook.

This. I was about to say something, until I read that you already had. They are both right, and in a way, they are both wrong.

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Piotr on August 05, 2014, 02:53:00 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 04, 2014, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 10:37:44 AM
*except for punishment.  You violated it first by lying, so he is justified in punishing you.

And mlerner, take a basic science class.  A law is a summary of observed behavior, and a theory is a prediction of what will happen.  I probably didn't define it the best way possible, but whatever.

Gravity is a law because it's a summary of what we have seen and there is not one scrap of evidence to disprove it.
I'm in AP biology next year as an 8th grader, I know basic science.

It's a theory because it's not proven 100%. Scientists are still working on it.

I didn't lie. I actually believe it. It's not a lie and it would be unjustified.

You have been told you are spreading a lie, now stop or I'll stop forgiving you.

Same for the other smartass who can't decide what's his name.
I take extreme offense in that. ;) I just like anime.

And you have been told that this is not lying due to the fact that I believe this, and likely so does Taysbe. It no longer first the definition of lie, and I humbly request that you consider changing your definition. If your dictionary from... Poland? What country? From whatever europian country you are in has a different definition, I apologize.

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on August 05, 2014, 12:07:12 PM
Just because you believe it doesn't necessarily make it right.
But because I believe it it isn't a lie.

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on August 05, 2014, 12:55:15 PM
if it isn't right, and you claim that it is, then that is a lie.
If I think it's right, it's not a lie. Check a dictionary.

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on August 05, 2014, 01:03:20 PM
would you prefer we start saying "untruths" instead?

For all intents and purposes, a lie is a statement someone makes that isn't true.

see alse
used with reference to a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression.
You're saying whenever someone incorrectly messes up a rules question or says a card will probably jump but it doesn't, they're lying? A lie needs to involve deception. If they think it's true it's not deceptive.

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on August 05, 2014, 02:31:46 PM
Quote from: Levi, Human Legion on August 05, 2014, 02:09:03 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 05, 2014, 01:03:20 PM
would you prefer we start saying "untruths" instead?

For all intents and purposes, a lie is a statement someone makes that isn't true.

see alse
used with reference to a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression.
You're saying whenever someone incorrectly messes up a rules question or says a card will probably jump but it doesn't, they're lying? A lie needs to involve deception. If they think it's true it's not deceptive.

For all intents and purposes, they are lying.  It's not the exact dictionary definition, but it's pretty darn close.
You can deceive someone while still believing it's true.

A practical definition of a lie would be saying something that isn't true.

Did you not see the bolded part?  That is part of the dictionary definition.
You left out the part that says they have to think its false. For all intents and purposes we should use the actual definition. You're saying whenever someone answers a rules question wrong they should be punished, because according to your definition it's a lie.

It's also not pretty earn close. A practical definition would be the real definition.