What do you believe in?

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LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Infektor on August 03, 2014, 03:34:36 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 03, 2014, 02:37:30 AM
Quote from: Infektor on August 02, 2014, 11:38:32 PM
I believe our universe is one of an infinite collective of universes. I think the Big Bang explains our start well enough for now( I hold the option to change with new evidence given). No god, but I do believe in meta physical embodiments of the fates that pre decide our destiny. Once we die in this existence  we just move to the next form of existence and the cycle continues. Though I don't claim to know what the next worlds hold, we maybe energy or hell there may be a form of heaven for all I know, but this can't be the end, it's too small to not be the start of existence. Train us for the planes to come so to speak :)

Before I say anything else I wanna clarify a few things,

First, I'm biased like virtually everyone else.
Second, I'm a Christian (see above)
Third, I'm not intending to insult or attack you, I'm just asking some questions and giving my two cents. I'm a naturally curious person.

Onwards. I've always found the theory of infinite universes confusing and somewhat illogical.  If there are infinite universes, then there are infinite universes in which the whole universe is dedicated to the irradication of you, each with various means to do so. Yet you are still here. On the flip side you might argue that there are infinite universes protecting you, but at which point does it end? The same concept can be applied to any aspect of life and I find it tears itself apart, at least in my head.

On The Big Bang, I've always considered it an interesting concept. I'm a creationist so I do disagree with it however I respect the idea as it does make sense.

You say no god, then you give a description of beings that sounds very much like gods. What's your distinction between the two and why do you believe in the beings you described instead of a god or gods? Not trying to be mean or anything, just curious.

So you believe in cross universal reincarnation? (For lack of better terms) I think that's a neat idea, I can't say I agree with it but I don't see any holes. May I ask why you believe this? You say it's to train us for the planes to come, does that mean this is the first plane?

Again, just asking questions. If you don't wish to answer them that's perfectly fine. I just enjoy deep conversation. Feel free to ask me questions and I'll do my best to answer them. :)

Always interested to have a civil discussion:)
Ill try to do them in order.
1. When I say infinite universes, I'm not speaking of say I'm the me in this one, and in one I'm dead. I more mean that this isn't the only level of our eternity. Afterlife, heaven, what have you, whatever it may be I just refer to it as the next planes of our existence.
2.As for the fates, yes I very much do relate them to what a god would be I guess in the Christian sense. Though I do not think they can alter or interfere in our fate, just that they over see it and end it when the time was nessicary for my timeline.
As for a cycle of reincarnation, yes I do believe we continue on. Though like i said I'm not too sure on what form that would be in (energy, spirits, physical forms, etc)
I do think we're being molded in this world for the next, and that in the next we will do so for the plane after.
I mean plane as in another level of life, after this and much like a cycle of forms of existence.
As for why? Years of soul searching, readin up on the worlds religions, both historical and modern. From all I seen, read,felt I've come to these conclusions. Though when new evidence presents itself I shape to it if I think it's true.
I have no qualms with a or any god, I've just found it doesn't suit my spiritual feeling about the universe around me.
Always happy to answer well thought out questions, and wish wellness on anyone following their own truth.

Glad to hear it. :)
1. That makes much more sense now. Are they infinite in that there are infinite, or that you can neverendingly cycle through them? Might you end up in the same universe twice?

2. So they're basically enforcing everything? Any thoughts on were they might have come from?

I like your open mindedness. What are your opinions on Christianity?

Munchlax

Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o

Could you site some evidence for the proof? True science cannot "prove" anything, as by definition one counter example can destroy any theory. I'm not saying we're gonna find a counter example to gravity, I'm just trying to keep you open minded. Last I knew the universe was finite but constantly expanding.

Second, I can't glance over that you were quite rude. Micro evolution is a theory that aligns with all currently known evidence. (Change within kinds.) Macro evolution is a different story. (Change to different kinds.) There is plenty of evidence for both Macro Evolution and Creationism. Don't discard somebody's beliefs just because of yours. Abiogenesis was a thing (and still is to an extent). You cannot rewind to the origins of the universe and watch it unfold, you can only guess by what is around you. Evolution has gone through massive revamps due to lack of evidence. It traditionally was called a long and slow process. However, do to missing links (or lack thereof), the more common theory now is that mutations were violent and rapid, between 2-3 generations. That's not to say it's the only version, it's just the one that I've seen popularized most recently.

Evolution is not an iron clad theory that only fools disagree with. Nor is Creationism. My faith causes me to be biased towards a Creationist, young earth viewpoint. It sounds like your beliefs cause you to be biased towards an Evolutionist, old earth viewpoint. Disagree with others, support your viewpoints, just be respectful doing so.   

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Munchlax on August 03, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?
Actually, evolution is proven fact. We have observed evolution and can prove that it has happened. The "theory" part is macro-evolution and whether or not "survival of the fittest" is the actual cause of evolution, but evolution is an observable process.

Munchlax

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 03, 2014, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 03, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?
Actually, evolution is proven fact. We have observed evolution and can prove that it has happened. The "theory" part is macro-evolution and whether or not "survival of the fittest" is the actual cause of evolution, but evolution is an observable process.
I had originally included that macro evolution part but didn't want to make the post too lengthy. Thank you for clarifying it though

Mlerner12

Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
No. Evolution is proven. It's impossible to measure an infinite amount so scientists are still uncertain.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

The whole universe debate is simply, "let's argue about something we will likely never know and even more likely can't fathom."

Distriimuir

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 03, 2014, 08:38:30 PM
Quote from: Infektor on August 03, 2014, 03:34:36 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 03, 2014, 02:37:30 AM
Quote from: Infektor on August 02, 2014, 11:38:32 PM
I believe our universe is one of an infinite collective of universes. I think the Big Bang explains our start well enough for now( I hold the option to change with new evidence given). No god, but I do believe in meta physical embodiments of the fates that pre decide our destiny. Once we die in this existence  we just move to the next form of existence and the cycle continues. Though I don't claim to know what the next worlds hold, we maybe energy or hell there may be a form of heaven for all I know, but this can't be the end, it's too small to not be the start of existence. Train us for the planes to come so to speak :)

Before I say anything else I wanna clarify a few things,

First, I'm biased like virtually everyone else.
Second, I'm a Christian (see above)
Third, I'm not intending to insult or attack you, I'm just asking some questions and giving my two cents. I'm a naturally curious person.

Onwards. I've always found the theory of infinite universes confusing and somewhat illogical.  If there are infinite universes, then there are infinite universes in which the whole universe is dedicated to the irradication of you, each with various means to do so. Yet you are still here. On the flip side you might argue that there are infinite universes protecting you, but at which point does it end? The same concept can be applied to any aspect of life and I find it tears itself apart, at least in my head.

On The Big Bang, I've always considered it an interesting concept. I'm a creationist so I do disagree with it however I respect the idea as it does make sense.

You say no god, then you give a description of beings that sounds very much like gods. What's your distinction between the two and why do you believe in the beings you described instead of a god or gods? Not trying to be mean or anything, just curious.

So you believe in cross universal reincarnation? (For lack of better terms) I think that's a neat idea, I can't say I agree with it but I don't see any holes. May I ask why you believe this? You say it's to train us for the planes to come, does that mean this is the first plane?

Again, just asking questions. If you don't wish to answer them that's perfectly fine. I just enjoy deep conversation. Feel free to ask me questions and I'll do my best to answer them. :)

Always interested to have a civil discussion:)
Ill try to do them in order.
1. When I say infinite universes, I'm not speaking of say I'm the me in this one, and in one I'm dead. I more mean that this isn't the only level of our eternity. Afterlife, heaven, what have you, whatever it may be I just refer to it as the next planes of our existence.
2.As for the fates, yes I very much do relate them to what a god would be I guess in the Christian sense. Though I do not think they can alter or interfere in our fate, just that they over see it and end it when the time was nessicary for my timeline.
As for a cycle of reincarnation, yes I do believe we continue on. Though like i said I'm not too sure on what form that would be in (energy, spirits, physical forms, etc)
I do think we're being molded in this world for the next, and that in the next we will do so for the plane after.
I mean plane as in another level of life, after this and much like a cycle of forms of existence.
As for why? Years of soul searching, readin up on the worlds religions, both historical and modern. From all I seen, read,felt I've come to these conclusions. Though when new evidence presents itself I shape to it if I think it's true.
I have no qualms with a or any god, I've just found it doesn't suit my spiritual feeling about the universe around me.
Always happy to answer well thought out questions, and wish wellness on anyone following their own truth.

Glad to hear it. :)
1. That makes much more sense now. Are they infinite in that there are infinite, or that you can neverendingly cycle through them? Might you end up in the same universe twice?

2. So they're basically enforcing everything? Any thoughts on were they might have come from?

I like your open mindedness. What are your opinions on Christianity?

1.going through the same universe multiple cycles is a possibility I entertain.
2. The fates as I see them are probably closest to the ancient greecian ones. Created at the beginning of time, along with the rest of existence( all planes of reality).

As for my thoughts on Christianity, I was raised in a catholic heavy house. Went to a catholic school till about middle school when I was given a choice in whether to stay in it for high school. I started drifting from it when I saw the hypocrisy of the Christians I knew. I mean no disrespect of course, everyone finds there own path, but it doesn't mean I think most or even a percentage are like my family and friends of that time. I've also met christian families that were amazing people and lived a truly good life and loved everyone, those people helped me see the unity religion can bring people. It didnt bring me back to the one god, but it brought me back from hatred of all things spiritual, which is just as important to me now. Finding some form of understanding of my reality has brought me peace.

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 03, 2014, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 03, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?
Actually, evolution is proven fact. We have observed evolution and can prove that it has happened. The "theory" part is macro-evolution and whether or not "survival of the fittest" is the actual cause of evolution, but evolution is an observable process.

There is a massive line between micro evolution and macro evolution. Micro evolution is deferent breeds of dogs. Macro is monkeys to man. Micro has been observed, Macro has not. Micro is generally caused by loss of genetic information, Macro requires an increase (something that, as far as I know, has never been observed).

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 03, 2014, 11:16:18 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 03, 2014, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: Munchlax on August 03, 2014, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 03, 2014, 04:01:43 AM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on August 02, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2014, 07:18:46 AM
We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?
Actually, evolution is proven fact. We have observed evolution and can prove that it has happened. The "theory" part is macro-evolution and whether or not "survival of the fittest" is the actual cause of evolution, but evolution is an observable process.

There is a massive line between micro evolution and macro evolution. Micro evolution is deferent breeds of dogs. Macro is monkeys to man. Micro has been observed, Macro has not. Micro is generally caused by loss of genetic information, Macro requires an increase (something that, as far as I know, has never been observed).
Its the exact same process. This is like saying, "we can observe someone baking a cookie, but when it comes to a dozen, can't happen"

Wingnut

First and foremost, welcome back mlerner, you dug the crap out of this one. Second, this thread was actually a hell of a good read. Now on to my beliefs, and don't make fun too bad as I have a few theories from way back.

1. I do believe in god, I am Christian with descent faith and a love for Jesus Christ and his father god himself. But, is he the ONLY god? I don't know man. Like was posted WAY earlier. It says in the bible to worship no other gods before him, if there are no others why mention it? Possibly because he knew free will will eventually "create others". I feel that there MAY be others, and it is your choice on who to choose, the one you choose will define where you go (which heaven to possibly over simplify?) when you leave your worldly vessel. As far back in time as we can see there is some form of god that man worships, all over the planet. Be it the incas, the Mayans, native Americans, Middle East, Asia. They ALL have a god they worship. What if multiple gods said ok, this is my area, that's yours, this is how I design my people, let's see who has more followers at the end of say 3 billion years, and go........

This makes me wonder on a nerd level, are we an elaborate game of sims? Or more to my example warcraft (not wow, the original Warcraft)? A game to see who has more followers. Some gods tempt with pearly gates and golden kingdoms, some tempt with 70 virgins, some with becoming a majestic animal when you transition. Idk, I pick the golden kingdom, sounds pretty cool.

Ok, feel free to tell me I'm retarded.

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Infektor on August 03, 2014, 11:03:21 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 03, 2014, 08:38:30 PM
Quote from: Infektor on August 03, 2014, 03:34:36 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 03, 2014, 02:37:30 AM
Quote from: Infektor on August 02, 2014, 11:38:32 PM
I believe our universe is one of an infinite collective of universes. I think the Big Bang explains our start well enough for now( I hold the option to change with new evidence given). No god, but I do believe in meta physical embodiments of the fates that pre decide our destiny. Once we die in this existence  we just move to the next form of existence and the cycle continues. Though I don't claim to know what the next worlds hold, we maybe energy or hell there may be a form of heaven for all I know, but this can't be the end, it's too small to not be the start of existence. Train us for the planes to come so to speak :)

Before I say anything else I wanna clarify a few things,

First, I'm biased like virtually everyone else.
Second, I'm a Christian (see above)
Third, I'm not intending to insult or attack you, I'm just asking some questions and giving my two cents. I'm a naturally curious person.

Onwards. I've always found the theory of infinite universes confusing and somewhat illogical.  If there are infinite universes, then there are infinite universes in which the whole universe is dedicated to the irradication of you, each with various means to do so. Yet you are still here. On the flip side you might argue that there are infinite universes protecting you, but at which point does it end? The same concept can be applied to any aspect of life and I find it tears itself apart, at least in my head.

On The Big Bang, I've always considered it an interesting concept. I'm a creationist so I do disagree with it however I respect the idea as it does make sense.

You say no god, then you give a description of beings that sounds very much like gods. What's your distinction between the two and why do you believe in the beings you described instead of a god or gods? Not trying to be mean or anything, just curious.

So you believe in cross universal reincarnation? (For lack of better terms) I think that's a neat idea, I can't say I agree with it but I don't see any holes. May I ask why you believe this? You say it's to train us for the planes to come, does that mean this is the first plane?

Again, just asking questions. If you don't wish to answer them that's perfectly fine. I just enjoy deep conversation. Feel free to ask me questions and I'll do my best to answer them. :)

Always interested to have a civil discussion:)
Ill try to do them in order.
1. When I say infinite universes, I'm not speaking of say I'm the me in this one, and in one I'm dead. I more mean that this isn't the only level of our eternity. Afterlife, heaven, what have you, whatever it may be I just refer to it as the next planes of our existence.
2.As for the fates, yes I very much do relate them to what a god would be I guess in the Christian sense. Though I do not think they can alter or interfere in our fate, just that they over see it and end it when the time was nessicary for my timeline.
As for a cycle of reincarnation, yes I do believe we continue on. Though like i said I'm not too sure on what form that would be in (energy, spirits, physical forms, etc)
I do think we're being molded in this world for the next, and that in the next we will do so for the plane after.
I mean plane as in another level of life, after this and much like a cycle of forms of existence.
As for why? Years of soul searching, readin up on the worlds religions, both historical and modern. From all I seen, read,felt I've come to these conclusions. Though when new evidence presents itself I shape to it if I think it's true.
I have no qualms with a or any god, I've just found it doesn't suit my spiritual feeling about the universe around me.
Always happy to answer well thought out questions, and wish wellness on anyone following their own truth.

Glad to hear it. :)
1. That makes much more sense now. Are they infinite in that there are infinite, or that you can neverendingly cycle through them? Might you end up in the same universe twice?

2. So they're basically enforcing everything? Any thoughts on were they might have come from?

I like your open mindedness. What are your opinions on Christianity?

1.going through the same universe multiple cycles is a possibility I entertain.
2. The fates as I see them are probably closest to the ancient greecian ones. Created at the beginning of time, along with the rest of existence( all planes of reality).

As for my thoughts on Christianity, I was raised in a catholic heavy house. Went to a catholic school till about middle school when I was given a choice in whether to stay in it for high school. I started drifting from it when I saw the hypocrisy of the Christians I knew. I mean no disrespect of course, everyone finds there own path, but it doesn't mean I think most or even a percentage are like my family and friends of that time. I've also met christian families that were amazing people and lived a truly good life and loved everyone, those people helped me see the unity religion can bring people. It didnt bring me back to the one god, but it brought me back from hatred of all things spiritual, which is just as important to me now. Finding some form of understanding of my reality has brought me peace.

1. I truly think that's a neat idea.
2. So the fates can see/travel between planes? Or is there one per plane or some other such thing?

I haven't had much experience with the Catholic denomination. The hypocrisy of humans in general is quite appalling.  I know I've been guilty to an extent. But one of the fundamental concepts of Christianity is that we are not perfect, so we need God. I'm glad you've witnessed some of the people that show the other side. They're refreshing. I find your worldview unique and interesting. I'm glad I have the chance to talk to you about it.

Distriimuir

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 03, 2014, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: Infektor on August 03, 2014, 11:03:21 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 03, 2014, 08:38:30 PM
Quote from: Infektor on August 03, 2014, 03:34:36 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 03, 2014, 02:37:30 AM
Quote from: Infektor on August 02, 2014, 11:38:32 PM
I believe our universe is one of an infinite collective of universes. I think the Big Bang explains our start well enough for now( I hold the option to change with new evidence given). No god, but I do believe in meta physical embodiments of the fates that pre decide our destiny. Once we die in this existence  we just move to the next form of existence and the cycle continues. Though I don't claim to know what the next worlds hold, we maybe energy or hell there may be a form of heaven for all I know, but this can't be the end, it's too small to not be the start of existence. Train us for the planes to come so to speak :)

Before I say anything else I wanna clarify a few things,

First, I'm biased like virtually everyone else.
Second, I'm a Christian (see above)
Third, I'm not intending to insult or attack you, I'm just asking some questions and giving my two cents. I'm a naturally curious person.

Onwards. I've always found the theory of infinite universes confusing and somewhat illogical.  If there are infinite universes, then there are infinite universes in which the whole universe is dedicated to the irradication of you, each with various means to do so. Yet you are still here. On the flip side you might argue that there are infinite universes protecting you, but at which point does it end? The same concept can be applied to any aspect of life and I find it tears itself apart, at least in my head.

On The Big Bang, I've always considered it an interesting concept. I'm a creationist so I do disagree with it however I respect the idea as it does make sense.

You say no god, then you give a description of beings that sounds very much like gods. What's your distinction between the two and why do you believe in the beings you described instead of a god or gods? Not trying to be mean or anything, just curious.

So you believe in cross universal reincarnation? (For lack of better terms) I think that's a neat idea, I can't say I agree with it but I don't see any holes. May I ask why you believe this? You say it's to train us for the planes to come, does that mean this is the first plane?

Again, just asking questions. If you don't wish to answer them that's perfectly fine. I just enjoy deep conversation. Feel free to ask me questions and I'll do my best to answer them. :)

Always interested to have a civil discussion:)
Ill try to do them in order.
1. When I say infinite universes, I'm not speaking of say I'm the me in this one, and in one I'm dead. I more mean that this isn't the only level of our eternity. Afterlife, heaven, what have you, whatever it may be I just refer to it as the next planes of our existence.
2.As for the fates, yes I very much do relate them to what a god would be I guess in the Christian sense. Though I do not think they can alter or interfere in our fate, just that they over see it and end it when the time was nessicary for my timeline.
As for a cycle of reincarnation, yes I do believe we continue on. Though like i said I'm not too sure on what form that would be in (energy, spirits, physical forms, etc)
I do think we're being molded in this world for the next, and that in the next we will do so for the plane after.
I mean plane as in another level of life, after this and much like a cycle of forms of existence.
As for why? Years of soul searching, readin up on the worlds religions, both historical and modern. From all I seen, read,felt I've come to these conclusions. Though when new evidence presents itself I shape to it if I think it's true.
I have no qualms with a or any god, I've just found it doesn't suit my spiritual feeling about the universe around me.
Always happy to answer well thought out questions, and wish wellness on anyone following their own truth.

Glad to hear it. :)
1. That makes much more sense now. Are they infinite in that there are infinite, or that you can neverendingly cycle through them? Might you end up in the same universe twice?

2. So they're basically enforcing everything? Any thoughts on were they might have come from?

I like your open mindedness. What are your opinions on Christianity?

1.going through the same universe multiple cycles is a possibility I entertain.
2. The fates as I see them are probably closest to the ancient greecian ones. Created at the beginning of time, along with the rest of existence( all planes of reality).

As for my thoughts on Christianity, I was raised in a catholic heavy house. Went to a catholic school till about middle school when I was given a choice in whether to stay in it for high school. I started drifting from it when I saw the hypocrisy of the Christians I knew. I mean no disrespect of course, everyone finds there own path, but it doesn't mean I think most or even a percentage are like my family and friends of that time. I've also met christian families that were amazing people and lived a truly good life and loved everyone, those people helped me see the unity religion can bring people. It didnt bring me back to the one god, but it brought me back from hatred of all things spiritual, which is just as important to me now. Finding some form of understanding of my reality has brought me peace.

1. I truly think that's a neat idea.
2. So the fates can see/travel between planes? Or is there one per plane or some other such thing?

I haven't had much experience with the Catholic denomination. The hypocrisy of humans in general is quite appalling.  I know I've been guilty to an extent. But one of the fundamental concepts of Christianity is that we are not perfect, so we need God. I'm glad you've witnessed some of the people that show the other side. They're refreshing. I find your worldview unique and interesting. I'm glad I have the chance to talk to you about it.

As for the fates I believe it's much like they oversee all the planes and cycles, and there more of a creation of existence to keep itself in balance.
I love learning about religion since I've become a more open person, and welcome any and all questions. Your also a kind spirit for having the curiosity to ask things beyond what some in your same shoes would condem.

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We have infinite real common universe to share*, so we should never have to steal. True or false?

* according to current science, which explains the logic of reality.
Eh... It's not proven that the universe is infinite.

It is proven. Where do you go to school, do they also teach you that evolution is just a scam by Darwin and his cronies? O.o
Actually, Evolution is still a theory with lots of evidence stacked against it. And the universe being infinite is also a theory. Also, what do you believe in? If you believe in the Big Bang AND that the universe is infinite, you have already contradicted yourself. The only way the universe could be infinite is if there had been some Divine creator of sorts. So what do you believe?
Actually, evolution is proven fact. We have observed evolution and can prove that it has happened. The "theory" part is macro-evolution and whether or not "survival of the fittest" is the actual cause of evolution, but evolution is an observable process.

There is a massive line between micro evolution and macro evolution. Micro evolution is deferent breeds of dogs. Macro is monkeys to man. Micro has been observed, Macro has not. Micro is generally caused by loss of genetic information, Macro requires an increase (something that, as far as I know, has never been observed).
Its the exact same process. This is like saying, "we can observe someone baking a cookie, but when it comes to a dozen, can't happen"

There's a massive difference between breeds of dogs and monkeys to man. I mentioned adding genetic material, that's fundamental to macro evolution. Yet as far as I know it's unobserved. By genetics there is a massive difference. A one celled organism going through multiple mutations and generations to eventually produce man is very different. Genetics also hasn't produced much pro evolution information that I've seen so far.

So no, it's not like saying baking a dozen cookies is impossible. It's like saying producing a TV from those same ingredients is highly questionable.

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Animals evolve traits to better survive, yes?  Macro evolution is that over millions of years.
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