Banned List Rumors

[Sagemaster]

{Ponder} would be silly to ban in Legacy, considering {Brainstorm} and {Preordain} are legal.

Oh then modern?

[Dudecore]

{Ponder} would be silly to ban in Legacy, considering {Brainstorm} and {Preordain} are legal.

Oh then modern?

Already done
Ponder will escape the banning, I just don't foresee the same fate for my buddy {Snapcaster Mage}

[Sagemaster]

{Ponder} would be silly to ban in Legacy, considering {Brainstorm} and {Preordain} are legal.

Oh then modern?

Already done
Ponder will escape the banning, I just don't foresee the same fate for my buddy {Snapcaster Mage}

I hope snappy doesn't I haven't gotten to use him but I really like him...I also like the idea of USA flicker control with him to rival delver..

[Dudecore]

We find out June 20th. I say it's a lock, people disagree. My reasons:

- M13 drops soon, they want people to use the new cards.
- Banning {Delver of Secrets} means that {Snapcaster Mage} just finds his way into another deck (probably the same one, and {Champion of the Parish} instead)
-With swords rotating out, Delver will probably just give-way anyways.
-With {Ponder} rotating out, {Delver} takes a step back again.
-Going forward, {Snapcaster Mage} is the more dangerous card, as it interacts with pretty much anything.

[loop-s-pool]

- Banning {Delver of Secrets} means that {Snapcaster Mage} just finds his way into another deck (probably the same one, and {Champion of the Parish} instead)

Champion is more a creature based card and Delver is an instant and sorcery based card. It would have to be a more creature based deck and thus rendering {Snapcaster Mage} less of a powerful card. Let's look at what Snappy is good for
-{Mana Leak} seeing rotation
-{Ponder} Seeing rotation
-{Vapor Snag} Seeing rotation, although {Ghostly Departure} can be used, oh wait that has flashback

I'm just not seeing much of a reason to ban him if the big threats are gone from his deck.

[TBNL]

- Banning {Delver of Secrets} means that {Snapcaster Mage} just finds his way into another deck (probably the same one, and {Champion of the Parish} instead)

Champion is more a creature based card and Delver is an instant and sorcery based card. It would have to be a more creature based deck and thus rendering {Snapcaster Mage} less of a powerful card. Let's look at what Snappy is good for
-{Mana Leak} seeing rotation
-{Ponder} Seeing rotation
-{Vapor Snag} Seeing rotation, although {Ghostly Departure} can be used, oh wait that has flashback

I'm just not seeing much of a reason to ban him if the big threats are gone from his deck.

Could use {Gather the Townsfolk} with Snappy, less broken, but still good

[loop-s-pool]

- Banning {Delver of Secrets} means that {Snapcaster Mage} just finds his way into another deck (probably the same one, and {Champion of the Parish} instead)

Champion is more a creature based card and Delver is an instant and sorcery based card. It would have to be a more creature based deck and thus rendering {Snapcaster Mage} less of a powerful card. Let's look at what Snappy is good for
-{Mana Leak} seeing rotation
-{Ponder} Seeing rotation
-{Vapor Snag} Seeing rotation, although {Ghostly Departure} can be used, oh wait that has flashback

I'm just not seeing much of a reason to ban him if the big threats are gone from his deck.

Could use {Gather the Townsfolk} with Snappy, less broken, but still good

Very true. No huge crazy interaction there but still something. Nearly everything played in UW delver is going away though so it doesn't make sense to say no to Snaps

[Leviathan]

Funny that people complain about Delver... {Vault Skirge} with a {Furor of the Bitten} is very fierce... I have even dropped 2 {Furor of the Bitten}s on him and swung for 5 flying lifelink turn 2. It bugs me this doesn't see play.

[Tetsomori]

Funny that people complain about Delver... {Vault Skirge} with a {Furor of the Bitten} is very fierce... I have even dropped 2 {Furor of the Bitten}s on him and swung for 5 flying lifelink turn 2. It bugs me this doesn't see play.

3 cards.. And delver is 1.. So your 3 card combo is broken with a {vapor snag} doesnt seem very good imo. The prob is snapcaster and delver just have too much power in the format imo
I agree i think they need banning

[Sagemaster]

Funny that people complain about Delver... {Vault Skirge} with a {Furor of the Bitten} is very fierce... I have even dropped 2 {Furor of the Bitten}s on him and swung for 5 flying lifelink turn 2. It bugs me this doesn't see play.

3 cards.. And delver is 1.. So your 3 card combo is broken with a {vapor snag} doesnt seem very good imo. The prob is snapcaster and delver just have too much power in the format imo
I agree i think they need banning

But the format is about to completely change...just as it did when cawblade rotated..

[Thorn]

Snapcaster doesn't break the game at all. Good? Yes. Groundbreaking? No. Delver on the other hand is unparalleled when it comes to power. Of course to get the most out of him you have to build a deck around him, but 9 times out of 10 he does exactly what you want him to the second go around.

I have to disagree when it comes to delver, he's not as great in my opium because you can burn him, o ring him, arrest him, ice cage him. It's only if the deck is completely built around him that poses a threat. Yet he's preventable and stoppable. In my opinion he's overrated.

The thing about that though is that they'll slap on a Sword giving it protection, use countermagic, or bring him back using {Vapor Snag}

Swords do pose a threat and yes countermagic can be done but what's delver decks usually? Control and runchanters pike. Grand abolished then o ring, the green veil card, all can be in a side board to prevent counters on your turn. Still allows delver dealings

The thing about Delver is that he is unparalled (at least in standard) as to how fast he is. Say you want to do the same thing 3 permanent damage by turn 2. You'd have to play a mountain, memnite, and {Kuldotha Rebirth}. Not only do you not have to sacrifice a card, Delver has flying.

Correct me if I am wrong but Delver is the fastest 3 steady ({Vexing Devil} doesn't count) damage you can get turn 2 without another card being casted.

{Reckless Waif} This card is nearly as fast as delver.

[Dudecore]

People much smarter then me with create the next decks, but I'm certain Delver wouldn't be the last we see from {Snapcaster Mage}.

If there was anyone to ban, it wouldn't be {Delver of Secrets}. He's gonna get nerfed hard when rotation comes. {Snapcaster} is viable as long as Instants and Sorceries exist.

[darkarts981]

People much smarter then me with create the next decks, but I'm certain Delver wouldn't be the last we see from {Snapcaster Mage}.

If there was anyone to ban, it wouldn't be {Delver of Secrets}. He's gonna get nerfed hard when rotation comes. {Snapcaster} is viable as long as Instants and Sorceries exist.

Exactly, which is why it will most likely see banning

[Greg54js]

People much smarter then me with create the next decks, but I'm certain Delver wouldn't be the last we see from {Snapcaster Mage}.

If there was anyone to ban, it wouldn't be {Delver of Secrets}. He's gonna get nerfed hard when rotation comes. {Snapcaster} is viable as long as Instants and Sorceries exist.

Exactly, which is why it will most likely see banning

WOOHOO!! 

[darkarts981]

People much smarter then me with create the next decks, but I'm certain Delver wouldn't be the last we see from {Snapcaster Mage}.

If there was anyone to ban, it wouldn't be {Delver of Secrets}. He's gonna get nerfed hard when rotation comes. {Snapcaster} is viable as long as Instants and Sorceries exist.

Exactly, which is why it will most likely see banning

WOOHOO!! 

For me that's good and bad, I play him a lot, but he is also in decks that kill most of mine (except the ones I play him in). Also if he gets banned, other cards will see banning as well, otherwise decks like WRR and RG Aggro will just run rampant