.politics.

[Rass]

I think that the government should treat power as a recourse, and use it efficiently (use the smallest amount possible to do the greatest good).

Sorry to go back

But the problem with this is who decides the greatest good.

If I'm rich I I don't want free health care I pay for it so you should too

If I'm poor I want free healthcare

It's such a fine line to decide who is the greatest good it's all perspective

The thing is that America is the only advanced civilization without a universal healthcare system.  The problem is that the American political system allows too much money in .politics. and the main industries that lobby and provide campaign contributions want anything but a universal healthcare system.  They will lie, cheat, and steal to maintain the system in place and they are always looking for ways to continue the explotation of our country, it's middle class workforce, and the resources, and people, worldwide for that matter.  When has America ever NOT been in a war or conflict?  I am no conspiracy theorist, in fact I am a patriot who served this country for 9 years, but the truth is that America is a war driven economy.  Look at the last presidency for example....President Bush chose Dick Cheney for VP, former CEO of Halliburton the biggest defense contractor in the world.  Now what happens to the biggest defense contractor when America all of a sudden goes to 2 big wars simultaneously?  I will tell you.....I leave my family and go to Iraq for one....for two, Halliburton gets an almost unlimited supply of revenue all the while paying the employees crap.  Halliburton and their subsidy companies like KBR were all I seen in Iraq.......its called a privatized war.... and they did everything from cook our food, to drive the supply convoys, to clean the base facilities, to supply the fuel for all the vehicles, and on and on.  Now Halliburton does bring American employees over there and they may make around $80,000 a year or so but the majority of the "Halliburton" work force is third country nationals from the Philipines, India, or whereever and they get paid maybe a little over the average wage of their country which of course is peanuts compared to $80,000 a year.  I am pretty sure the US government pays Halliburton around $350 a day for any employee in a conflict zone.....but that is only my guess from what information I gathered in country.  The other thing about the third country national employees is that the American military has to provide security chaperone for these "employees".....so not only is our country paying Halliburton big money for them to turn around and pay the employee next to nothing but the country then has to pay for extra soldiers to provide security for these individuals because they are not exactly trustworthy.

[rant=over]

I was using healthcare as an example. I was just trying to compare the better good. Who gets to decide it. Everyone here has their own idea of it.

[BlackJester]

Quote (or as close as I can get to it) from Teller of Penn and Teller:
WRT US -
"We're spending money we don't have to kill people we don't know for reasons we don't understand."

[BlackJester]

I don't think we'd want a gov based on religious ties...

So many of them are. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just sayin'.

Israel

Pretty much any middle eastern country.

And the US.

[loop-s-pool]

I don't think we'd want a gov based on religious ties...

So many of them are. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just sayin'.

Israel

Pretty much any middle eastern country.

And the US.

The United States isn't based on religious ties as much as it is having religious viewpoints to get elected.

[BlackJester]

The difference?

[Rass]

The United States isn't based on religious ties as much as it is having religious viewpoints to get elected.

That's part of the 3 g's

God
Guns
Gays

[Kuberr]

Well I don't vote. So it matters little to me.

[Rass]

Well I don't vote. So it matters little to me.

Do you choose not to or are you not allowed

[Kuberr]

Well I don't vote. So it matters little to me.

I just became a citizen last year. So I haven't had a chance.

Do you choose not to or are you not allowed

[BlackJester]

May I just say, it's been 8 pages of talk on .politics. and so far it has been respectful and intelligent. I'm very proud of our members. 😌

[Rass]

I need to start trollin


Jkjk

This is what I was looking for. I enjoy other peoples perspective. And it's hard for me to talk to other people around the world who also share a common interest.

[Jbombard51]

Woman's rights to choose what she does to her own body, which can in turn infringe on an unborn female fetus whom has no rights and can't choose, yet is still technically a woman.  There's a paradox of recent news! Not pro life or pro choice myself, just find the argument intriguing of when life legally starts.  IMO , I never understood why a father ( if known and not AWOL) has no legal (or socially accepted) voice for advocacy of a [life] made also from his own self, because as I understand a man has to consent to give up rights to possible future children when [selling] his "product" to a sperm bank, so would that make the act of pregnancy an unwritten binding implied contract that sex is only meant for procreation purposes and therefore only the woman has the right to her "own body"?

Just curious on other thoughts on this per recent u.s. decision on gender based abortions today. I am also greatful that this thread is here, allowed, and has been very graceful and open minded. 

[loop-s-pool]

The difference?

The US is not a theocracy in one, but a ticket to office.

[BlackJester]

To think, theres more trolling about RDW than about .politics.. 😜

[Rass]

Woman's rights to choose what she does to her own body, which can in turn infringe on an unborn female fetus whom has no rights and can't choose, yet is still technically a woman.  There's a paradox of recent news! Not pro life or pro choice myself, just find the argument intriguing of when life legally starts.  IMO , I never understood why a father ( if known and not AWOL) has no legal (or socially accepted) voice for advocacy of a [life] made also from his own self, because as I understand a man has to consent to give up rights to possible future children when [selling] his "product" to a sperm bank, so would that make the act of pregnancy an unwritten binding implied contract that sex is only meant for procreation purposes and therefore only the woman has the right to her "own body"?

Just curious on other thoughts on this per recent u.s. decision on gender based abortions today. I am also greatful that this thread is here, allowed, and has been very graceful and open minded.

Recommend a new topic for this