Bant company combo

Started by Kaalia with haste, September 16, 2015, 04:27:45 PM

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Kaalia with haste

Reddit has me brewing...

Value plan (similar to abzan company decks except we get geist)
4 {collected company}
3 {kitchen finks}
4 {noble hierarch}
4 {birds of paradise}
4 {knight of the reliquary}
4 {voice of resurgence}
3 {geist of saint traft}
2 {qasali pridemage}
3 {eternal witness}

Combo:
3 {new blue retreat thing from BFZ}

Removal
4 {path to exile}

Lands
4 {windswept Heath}
4 {misty rainforest}
2 {flooded strand}
2 {breeding pool}
2 {temple garden}
2 {razorverge thicket}
1 {stomping ground}
1 {Kessig wolf run}
2 {forest}
1 {plains}
1 {gavony township}

Plan A: Get tons of value and attack our opponent with KOTR or geist for the win. 4 paths allow us to clear the way for geist and an end step coco will probably result in no blockers.

Plan B: use the new blue retreat thing to make a huge amount of mana with KOTR and fetch up wolf run to give knight a ton of power and trample, as well as the boost it gets from lands in the GY.

I would like to play more fetches for KOTR to be better but I would like to have a large majority of my lands actually make mana for the combo. The cards in this deck don't really have too restrictive of mana costs, and we play 8 mana dorks. So this feels fine. township/wolf run  can also just be fetched for value with knight to start advancing your board. I'm liking the way this deck looks.


Codester1991

I dig it! I'd drop the razorverge thicket down to 2 and the breeding pool down to 2 and throw in two {flooded strands} Also, 24 lands is a lot for a deck with 8 mana dorks and 3 cmc being your highest(other than collected company of course)

And the 2 drop anafenza would be nice with that angel token etb with your geist

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: Codester1991 on September 16, 2015, 04:57:41 PM
I dig it! I'd drop the razorverge thicket down to 2 and the breeding pool down to 2 and throw in two {flooded strands} Also, 24 lands is a lot for a deck with 8 mana dorks and 3 cmc being your highest(other than collected company of course)

And the 2 drop anafenza would be nice with that angel token etb with your geist
Yea the land count is pretty high. Fetch lands 9-10 won't hurt in making knight a better beater. 22 lands feels right for this deck. I'm not sold on anafenza due to the WW in her casting cost. I'll do a little bit of tweaking tonight to see if I can fit her in.

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: Potticus on September 16, 2015, 06:29:06 PM
You need an {sejiri steppe} to knight tutor up for the free win against a single blocker.  Just mill through the lands give protection and tap them all for mana. 1 meloku and a dryad arbor also go infinite if you're looking for another win con. And they can be chorded and fetched for.
I'm not huge on melolku solely due to it being 5 mana, and the combo is mainly plan B, so I don't really want to put more emphasis on that. I like the sejiri steppe idea to make KOTR into a mother of runes, but I have 2 problems with it:

If I draw it it's a strictly worse plains.

My knight is probably attacking or comboing every turn so I don't know how relevant that would be.

DimirOverlord1300

35 non hits off of company is a lot. I also stand by my geist sucks in every deck that isn't UWR

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on September 17, 2015, 08:05:56 AM
35 non hits off of company is a lot. I also stand by my geist sucks in every deck that isn't UWR
I'm going to cut chord of calling for kitchen finks.

As for the second point, you just hurt Geist's feelings.

Kaalia with haste

Update: tweaked a bit. I have ~26 company hits now

VQMracing

I have been thinking of a similar list, what about {grand abolisher} for protection? Also {serum visions}? I know it dilutws, but it seems good to find retreat

Double-O-Scotch

Quote from: Codester1991 on September 16, 2015, 04:57:41 PM

And the 2 drop anafenza would be nice with that angel token etb with your geist

Doesn't work with the angel. "Non-token" creatures only for trigger...

Codester1991

Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on September 20, 2015, 06:37:00 PM
Quote from: Codester1991 on September 16, 2015, 04:57:41 PM

And the 2 drop anafenza would be nice with that angel token etb with your geist

Doesn't work with the angel. "Non-token" creatures only for trigger...

Oops my bad, need to read the cards before I make recommendations. Lol

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: VQMracing on September 20, 2015, 03:54:42 PM
I have been thinking of a similar list, what about {grand abolisher} for protection? Also {serum visions}? I know it dilutws, but it seems good to find retreat
Most of my draws a reasonably redundant and there's not really exactly one card I would need to win. If I draw retreat that's great because the. I can use it to either tap blockers for geist or do the thing with knight, but my plan a isn't to go to the combo, it's primarily the beat down. The combo is there for matchups like affinity and splinter twin where they can win much faster than we can.

Codester1991

Think I'm gonna build this as well. Although, j think I may drop Geist to 2 and up the retreat to 4.

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: Codester1991 on September 21, 2015, 03:12:52 PM
Think I'm gonna build this as well. Although, j think I may drop Geist to 2 and up the retreat to 4.
That's fair. I just don't like awkward draws of double retreat no knight. Geist in multiples is annoying but worse comes to worse you just suicide a geist into a fatty for four damage and play a new one.

Codester1991

Question: how unnecessary would it be to add in {gitaxian probe} as a 3 of?

To me it'd be a good way to know when to combo off.

For instance,
T1 land bird of paradise
T2 land knight of Relinquary
T3 land, g probe, no counters no kill spells? Retreat to coralheim kill them.

Of course I'd bump the path's down to 2 instead of the playset and sideboard more disruption

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: Codester1991 on September 23, 2015, 12:01:55 PM
Question: how unnecessary would it be to add in {gitaxian probe} as a 3 of?

To me it'd be a good way to know when to combo off.

For instance,
T1 land bird of paradise
T2 land knight of Relinquary
T3 land, g probe, no counters no kill spells? Retreat to coralheim kill them.

Of course I'd bump the path's down to 2 instead of the playset and sideboard more disruption
I dunno I feel like it would make mulliganing a lot harder. Gitaxian probe is better in all in combo decks like infect or storm. Delver plays it despite being a fair deck for obvious reasons.