Broken commanders.

Started by Kaylesh, July 25, 2015, 03:33:30 AM

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Kaylesh

For a while I've been having a fascination for the terribly broken 'T1' commander decks.
It pretty much began with {{Munchlax}}'s Animar deck.
Now I want to ask you for your input:
What is the most broken thing you have ever seen? If you have a list that'd be great!

Splicer

You know, I tested that animar deck on cockatrice, and couldn't get nearly the same results. I wonder if I was doing something wrong.

On topic however, {Narset, Enlightened Master} is just unfun to play against because around turn 3 they lock you out and take every turn. Take a look at {{Taysby}}'s list. I can bump it if you like.

rarehuntertay

 {Arcum Dagsson}
Every turn everything gets wiped... Except for Arcum's controller's stuff....
Once that player gets the combo, it's a wrap

the_intelligentleman

Derevi. Oh? You don't like {Winter Orb}? Or {Stasis}? And you don't like it that none of those effects affect me?

Kaylesh

Quote from: Splicer on July 25, 2015, 03:49:24 AM
You know, I tested that animar deck on cockatrice, and couldn't get nearly the same results. I wonder if I was doing something wrong.

On topic however, {Narset, Enlightened Master} is just unfun to play against because around turn 3 they lock you out and take every turn. Take a look at {{Taysby}}'s list. I can bump it if you like.
I have done some time with the list on Cockatrice as well. Explodes often enough, and 1v1, it's usually just over then. In 4-player FFA it is a lot less dominant, since you quickly become "the" treat. Last game I had was with a Dagathar, that didn't do that much, a black tutor your demons deck with the commander that lets your 1/1s come back, and Mayael of the Anima.
At first I considered Dagathar the greatest thread because he could steal my counters, but in the end, with a couple of misplays on my account, mayael just took over.
On that note: {Mayael of the Anima} can be quite evil once you get the mana rolling.

MuggyWuggy

Uh narset is quite broken 1v1

Kaalia with haste

.. Why has no one mentioned {Edric, spymaster of trest}? He's so stupid good. Also, despite my name kaalia is actually horrible

InfinitiveDivinity

Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 25, 2015, 06:33:50 AM
{Arcum Dagsson}
Every turn everything gets wiped... Except for Arcum's controller's stuff....
Once that player gets the combo, it's a wrap
Yeah 😍

Kaylesh

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on July 26, 2015, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on July 25, 2015, 06:33:50 AM
{Arcum Dagsson}
Every turn everything gets wiped... Except for Arcum's controller's stuff....
Once that player gets the combo, it's a wrap
Yeah 😍
Cast {arcum dargsson}, have haste, have untap ability, tutor  {Nevinyrral's Disk}, tutor {darksteel forge}. Done.

Splicer

You still need to tutor {Mycosynth Lattice}.

Kaylesh

Doh. That or accept the loss of your commander/any non artifact pieces.
Disk does not touch lands, so you could wipe every turn on your turn. But lattice is a good addition to troll around with a field wipe in reaction to Anything with {aphetto alchemist} / {illusionist's bracers}.
" I play a land"
- "tap aphetto to untap aphetto and disk, tap again for self and land, tap land and disk"
(Just realized that with lattice out, alchemist combo = infinite mana in {U} as well..)

(And that infinite colorless is fine just as well)

(Is there an artifact {polymorph}?)

InfinitiveDivinity

Quote from: Kaylesh on July 26, 2015, 05:30:31 AM
Doh. That or accept the loss of your commander/any non artifact pieces.
Disk does not touch lands, so you could wipe every turn on your turn. But lattice is a good addition to troll around with a field wipe in reaction to Anything with {aphetto alchemist} / {illusionist's bracers}.
" I play a land"
- "tap aphetto to untap aphetto and disk, tap again for self and land, tap land and disk"
(Just realized that with lattice out, alchemist combo = infinite mana in {U} as well..)

(And that infinite colorless is fine just as well)

(Is there an artifact {polymorph}?)
Your going about it all wrong, you get an {Unwinding Clock} and do stuff every turn. Then you get various untap artifacts to multiply your Arcum tutors, and what I think is my most important key, {Myr Turbine}. That card is stupid good in Arcum. It's my first tutor 90% of the time. Throw in some mana rocks, cheap value robots, and about 30 different paths to either infinite combo or lockout that intertwine, and you've got yourself the stack of Asylum.

Munchlax

Quote from: Kaylesh on July 25, 2015, 07:38:04 AM
Quote from: Splicer on July 25, 2015, 03:49:24 AM
You know, I tested that animar deck on cockatrice, and couldn't get nearly the same results. I wonder if I was doing something wrong.

On topic however, {Narset, Enlightened Master} is just unfun to play against because around turn 3 they lock you out and take every turn. Take a look at {{Taysby}}'s list. I can bump it if you like.
I have done some time with the list on Cockatrice as well. Explodes often enough, and 1v1, it's usually just over then. In 4-player FFA it is a lot less dominant, since you quickly become "the" treat. Last game I had was with a Dagathar, that didn't do that much, a black tutor your demons deck with the commander that lets your 1/1s come back, and Mayael of the Anima.
At first I considered Dagathar the greatest thread because he could steal my counters, but in the end, with a couple of misplays on my account, mayael just took over.
On that note: {Mayael of the Anima} can be quite evil once you get the mana rolling.
This exactly. The deck isn't meant for multiplayer play its meant to kill one player and is super good French deck.

In terms of tier one generals Riku and {Dralnu Lich Lord} are both pretty nuts

Splicer

Quote from: Munchlax on July 27, 2015, 11:34:36 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on July 25, 2015, 07:38:04 AM
Quote from: Splicer on July 25, 2015, 03:49:24 AM
You know, I tested that animar deck on cockatrice, and couldn't get nearly the same results. I wonder if I was doing something wrong.

On topic however, {Narset, Enlightened Master} is just unfun to play against because around turn 3 they lock you out and take every turn. Take a look at {{Taysby}}'s list. I can bump it if you like.
I have done some time with the list on Cockatrice as well. Explodes often enough, and 1v1, it's usually just over then. In 4-player FFA it is a lot less dominant, since you quickly become "the" treat. Last game I had was with a Dagathar, that didn't do that much, a black tutor your demons deck with the commander that lets your 1/1s come back, and Mayael of the Anima.
At first I considered Dagathar the greatest thread because he could steal my counters, but in the end, with a couple of misplays on my account, mayael just took over.
On that note: {Mayael of the Anima} can be quite evil once you get the mana rolling.
This exactly. The deck isn't meant for multiplayer play its meant to kill one player and is super good French deck.

In terms of tier one generals Riku and {Dralnu Lich Lord} are both pretty nuts
I know, I was testing 1v1 games, not 4 player.

Kaylesh

I learned yesterday  {Talrand, Sky Summoner} Can be broken too.
Counter spells, deck fixing, tutors for really overwhelming numbers of drakes.