Good judge primer on modern interactions

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https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/3b2c1s/psa_for_modern_season/

Enjoy!

[Oldschoolmtgnoob]

I've gotten ahold of two {spellskythe} since ripping some mm15, and have been excited at the prospect of using it to redirect and nullify counterspells. But after thinking about it, I thought to myself that you wouldn't be able to change the target of spells to an illegal target; in the case of a counterspell, being that spellskythe isn't really a "spell" anymore, but a permanent. Apparently this is incorrect, but maybe someone could explain somehow. I don't know if the arrow/grenade analogy works here, effective as it always is

[griffin131]

I've gotten ahold of two {spellskythe} since ripping some mm15, and have been excited at the prospect of using it to redirect and nullify counterspells. But after thinking about it, I thought to myself that you wouldn't be able to change the target of spells to an illegal target; in the case of a counterspell, being that spellskythe isn't really a "spell" anymore, but a permanent. Apparently this is incorrect, but maybe someone could explain somehow. I don't know if the arrow/grenade analogy works here, effective as it always is

No, a {Spellskite} cannot redirect a counter spell to itself.
It also can't redirect a {Boros Charm} set to mode 1 to itself.

[Kaylesh]

I've gotten ahold of two {spellskythe} since ripping some mm15, and have been excited at the prospect of using it to redirect and nullify counterspells. But after thinking about it, I thought to myself that you wouldn't be able to change the target of spells to an illegal target; in the case of a counterspell, being that spellskythe isn't really a "spell" anymore, but a permanent. Apparently this is incorrect, but maybe someone could explain somehow. I don't know if the arrow/grenade analogy works here, effective as it always is

No, a {Spellskite} cannot redirect a counter spell to itself.
It also can't redirect a {Boros Charm} set to mode 1 to itself.

Yup, see these rule:
1-6-2011   You can activate Spellskite's ability even if Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target for the spell or ability. However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

I've gotten ahold of two {spellskythe} since ripping some mm15, and have been excited at the prospect of using it to redirect and nullify counterspells. But after thinking about it, I thought to myself that you wouldn't be able to change the target of spells to an illegal target; in the case of a counterspell, being that spellskythe isn't really a "spell" anymore, but a permanent. Apparently this is incorrect, but maybe someone could explain somehow. I don't know if the arrow/grenade analogy works here, effective as it always is

No, a {Spellskite} cannot redirect a counter spell to itself.
It also can't redirect a {Boros Charm} set to mode 1 to itself.

Yup, see these rule:
1-6-2011   You can activate Spellskite's ability even if Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target for the spell or ability. However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged.

Uh, what?

There's no way that's right, {Spellskite} would be a $100 card.

[mickeven]

I've gotten ahold of two {spellskythe} since ripping some mm15, and have been excited at the prospect of using it to redirect and nullify counterspells. But after thinking about it, I thought to myself that you wouldn't be able to change the target of spells to an illegal target; in the case of a counterspell, being that spellskythe isn't really a "spell" anymore, but a permanent. Apparently this is incorrect, but maybe someone could explain somehow. I don't know if the arrow/grenade analogy works here, effective as it always is

No, a {Spellskite} cannot redirect a counter spell to itself.
It also can't redirect a {Boros Charm} set to mode 1 to itself.

Yup, see these rule:
1-6-2011   You can activate Spellskite's ability even if Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target for the spell or ability. However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged.

Uh, what?

There's no way that's right, {Spellskite} would be a $100 card.

"However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged."

[Kaylesh]

I've gotten ahold of two {spellskythe} since ripping some mm15, and have been excited at the prospect of using it to redirect and nullify counterspells. But after thinking about it, I thought to myself that you wouldn't be able to change the target of spells to an illegal target; in the case of a counterspell, being that spellskythe isn't really a "spell" anymore, but a permanent. Apparently this is incorrect, but maybe someone could explain somehow. I don't know if the arrow/grenade analogy works here, effective as it always is

No, a {Spellskite} cannot redirect a counter spell to itself.
It also can't redirect a {Boros Charm} set to mode 1 to itself.

Yup, see these rule:
1-6-2011   You can activate Spellskite's ability even if Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target for the spell or ability. However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged.

Uh, what?

There's no way that's right, {Spellskite} would be a $100 card.

"However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged."

Like the judges say: Yes, you can activate the ability targeting the counter. Nothing will happen though.

[LinkCelestrial]

I've gotten ahold of two {spellskythe} since ripping some mm15, and have been excited at the prospect of using it to redirect and nullify counterspells. But after thinking about it, I thought to myself that you wouldn't be able to change the target of spells to an illegal target; in the case of a counterspell, being that spellskythe isn't really a "spell" anymore, but a permanent. Apparently this is incorrect, but maybe someone could explain somehow. I don't know if the arrow/grenade analogy works here, effective as it always is

No, a {Spellskite} cannot redirect a counter spell to itself.
It also can't redirect a {Boros Charm} set to mode 1 to itself.

Yup, see these rule:
1-6-2011   You can activate Spellskite's ability even if Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target for the spell or ability. However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged.

Uh, what?

There's no way that's right, {Spellskite} would be a $100 card.

"However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged."

Like the judges say: Yes, you can activate the ability targeting the counter. Nothing will happen though.

Relevant for {Mindslaver} kills.

[Kaylesh]

I've gotten ahold of two {spellskythe} since ripping some mm15, and have been excited at the prospect of using it to redirect and nullify counterspells. But after thinking about it, I thought to myself that you wouldn't be able to change the target of spells to an illegal target; in the case of a counterspell, being that spellskythe isn't really a "spell" anymore, but a permanent. Apparently this is incorrect, but maybe someone could explain somehow. I don't know if the arrow/grenade analogy works here, effective as it always is

No, a {Spellskite} cannot redirect a counter spell to itself.
It also can't redirect a {Boros Charm} set to mode 1 to itself.

Yup, see these rule:
1-6-2011   You can activate Spellskite's ability even if Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target for the spell or ability. However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged.

Uh, what?

There's no way that's right, {Spellskite} would be a $100 card.

"However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged."

Like the judges say: Yes, you can activate the ability targeting the counter. Nothing will happen though.

Relevant for {Mindslaver} kills.

If there's a {spellskite} on the field and I {mindslaver} I'd {quicken} a {lava axe} and redirect it to Kite like 9 times (assuming 20 life)

[Oldschoolmtgnoob]

So you can retarget one spell to spellskite any number of times?

[particle]

I've gotten ahold of two {spellskythe} since ripping some mm15, and have been excited at the prospect of using it to redirect and nullify counterspells. But after thinking about it, I thought to myself that you wouldn't be able to change the target of spells to an illegal target; in the case of a counterspell, being that spellskythe isn't really a "spell" anymore, but a permanent. Apparently this is incorrect, but maybe someone could explain somehow. I don't know if the arrow/grenade analogy works here, effective as it always is

No, a {Spellskite} cannot redirect a counter spell to itself.
It also can't redirect a {Boros Charm} set to mode 1 to itself.

Yup, see these rule:
1-6-2011   You can activate Spellskite's ability even if Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target for the spell or ability. However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged.

Uh, what?

There's no way that's right, {Spellskite} would be a $100 card.

"However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged."

Like the judges say: Yes, you can activate the ability targeting the counter. Nothing will happen though.

Relevant for {Mindslaver} kills.

If there's a {spellskite} on the field and I {mindslaver} I'd {quicken} a {lava axe} and redirect it to Kite like 9 times (assuming 20 life)

Remember you can't pay life that would put you to zero.

[Sardok]

I've gotten ahold of two {spellskythe} since ripping some mm15, and have been excited at the prospect of using it to redirect and nullify counterspells. But after thinking about it, I thought to myself that you wouldn't be able to change the target of spells to an illegal target; in the case of a counterspell, being that spellskythe isn't really a "spell" anymore, but a permanent. Apparently this is incorrect, but maybe someone could explain somehow. I don't know if the arrow/grenade analogy works here, effective as it always is

No, a {Spellskite} cannot redirect a counter spell to itself.
It also can't redirect a {Boros Charm} set to mode 1 to itself.

Yup, see these rule:
1-6-2011   You can activate Spellskite's ability even if Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target for the spell or ability. However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged.

Uh, what?

There's no way that's right, {Spellskite} would be a $100 card.

"However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged."

Like the judges say: Yes, you can activate the ability targeting the counter. Nothing will happen though.

Relevant for {Mindslaver} kills.

If there's a {spellskite} on the field and I {mindslaver} I'd {quicken} a {lava axe} and redirect it to Kite like 9 times (assuming 20 life)

Remember you can't pay life that would put you to zero.

Incorrect, you can absolutely pay 2 life and use {Spellskite}'s ability to kill yourself if you are at 2 life.

[Kaylesh]

I've gotten ahold of two {spellskythe} since ripping some mm15, and have been excited at the prospect of using it to redirect and nullify counterspells. But after thinking about it, I thought to myself that you wouldn't be able to change the target of spells to an illegal target; in the case of a counterspell, being that spellskythe isn't really a "spell" anymore, but a permanent. Apparently this is incorrect, but maybe someone could explain somehow. I don't know if the arrow/grenade analogy works here, effective as it always is

No, a {Spellskite} cannot redirect a counter spell to itself.
It also can't redirect a {Boros Charm} set to mode 1 to itself.

Yup, see these rule:
1-6-2011   You can activate Spellskite's ability even if Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target for the spell or ability. However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged.

Uh, what?

There's no way that's right, {Spellskite} would be a $100 card.

"However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged."

Like the judges say: Yes, you can activate the ability targeting the counter. Nothing will happen though.

Relevant for {Mindslaver} kills.

If there's a {spellskite} on the field and I {mindslaver} I'd {quicken} a {lava axe} and redirect it to Kite like 9 times (assuming 20 life)

Remember you can't pay life that would put you to zero.

Incorrect, you can absolutely pay 2 life and use {Spellskite}'s ability to kill yourself if you are at 2 life.

True. Though you can't pay if you don't have enough, if you have 2 left, you can still pay 2.

So you can retarget one spell to spellskite any number of times?

You can activate any ability as often as you can pay for it, as long as there's a legal target (if necessary), and the ability doesn't specify you can only use it once per turn.

{firebreathing} is a nice example of an ability you want to squeeze every ounce of {R} in.

[particle]

I've gotten ahold of two {spellskythe} since ripping some mm15, and have been excited at the prospect of using it to redirect and nullify counterspells. But after thinking about it, I thought to myself that you wouldn't be able to change the target of spells to an illegal target; in the case of a counterspell, being that spellskythe isn't really a "spell" anymore, but a permanent. Apparently this is incorrect, but maybe someone could explain somehow. I don't know if the arrow/grenade analogy works here, effective as it always is

No, a {Spellskite} cannot redirect a counter spell to itself.
It also can't redirect a {Boros Charm} set to mode 1 to itself.

Yup, see these rule:
1-6-2011   You can activate Spellskite's ability even if Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target for the spell or ability. However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged.

Uh, what?

There's no way that's right, {Spellskite} would be a $100 card.

"However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged."

Like the judges say: Yes, you can activate the ability targeting the counter. Nothing will happen though.

Relevant for {Mindslaver} kills.

If there's a {spellskite} on the field and I {mindslaver} I'd {quicken} a {lava axe} and redirect it to Kite like 9 times (assuming 20 life)

Remember you can't pay life that would put you to zero.

Incorrect, you can absolutely pay 2 life and use {Spellskite}'s ability to kill yourself if you are at 2 life.

True. Though you can't pay if you don't have enough, if you have 2 left, you can still pay 2.

So you can retarget one spell to spellskite any number of times?

You can activate any ability as often as you can pay for it, as long as there's a legal target (if necessary), and the ability doesn't specify you can only use it once per turn.

{firebreathing} is a nice example of an ability you want to squeeze every ounce of {R} in.

I stand corrected. asked on judge chat. I thought I remembered reading a ruling on {necropotence} that said if you were at 1 life you couldn't activate it but that is not correct. Thanks {{kaylesh}}!

[Oldschoolmtgnoob]

So you can retarget one spell to spellskite any number of times?

You can activate any ability as often as you can pay for it, as long as there's a legal target (if necessary), and the ability doesn't specify you can only use it once per turn.

{firebreathing} is a nice example of an ability you want to squeeze every ounce of {R} in.


(Messed up my quoting)
What I was trying to get at specifically was using a combo I had mentioned in the combo thread. Having {thunderbreak regent} out and using something like {blades of velis vol} to change {spellskite} to a dragon, then just wait for your opponent to cast...I guess anything...pay 16 life and do 24 damage. Would it work that way?