Treasure cruise legality

Started by Kaylesh, April 21, 2015, 03:08:34 PM

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Dsx Cherno

I want t as an official competitive format. That way I have more of a reason to play it, instead of just cause it's all anyone ever brings to the LGS

Piotr

It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?

Dsx Cherno

Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?

I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format

Kaylesh

Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?

I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format
That's called houserules :p
Thing is, wizards adopted the EDH casual format. The French rules were made for competitive 1v1 commander, but the origin of the game is much like Planechase or Emperor or Rainbow. And I don't see any competitions arising in those.

Dsx Cherno

Wizards also adopted 2 headed giant from when we would play as teams (did anyone ever play with joint mana?). My point is, EDH could easily be a hugely popular competitive format, if wizards would just pull the damn trigger.

Rass

Quote from: Kaylesh on April 29, 2015, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?

I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format
That's called houserules :p
Thing is, wizards adopted the EDH casual format. The French rules were made for competitive 1v1 commander, but the origin of the game is much like Planechase or Emperor or Rainbow. And I don't see any competitions arising in those.

What's rainbow?

Kaylesh

Quote from: Rass on April 30, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 29, 2015, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?

I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format
That's called houserules :p
Thing is, wizards adopted the EDH casual format. The French rules were made for competitive 1v1 commander, but the origin of the game is much like Planechase or Emperor or Rainbow. And I don't see any competitions arising in those.

What's rainbow?
5 players, each represents a color. The two players next to you are allied, opposite enemy. You sit in the same order as the colors on the color wheel. So {W} is allied with {G} and {U} and enemies with {B} and {R} etc. The allies that are the last ones standing win.

Dsx Cherno

Quote from: Kaylesh on April 30, 2015, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: Rass on April 30, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 29, 2015, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?

I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format
That's called houserules :p
Thing is, wizards adopted the EDH casual format. The French rules were made for competitive 1v1 commander, but the origin of the game is much like Planechase or Emperor or Rainbow. And I don't see any competitions arising in those.

What's rainbow?
5 players, each represents a color. The two players next to you are allied, opposite enemy. You sit in the same order as the colors on the color wheel. So {W} is allied with {G} and {U} and enemies with {B} and {R} etc. The allies that are the last ones standing win.

So if I'm {W}, my allies are {G} and {R}, but my allies are each allied with one of my enemies? That makes for some bizarre matchups later in the game. If {B} gets eliminated, it becomes all out war between {R} and {U}, while {W} and {G} get to breath easier. Wow. That actually sounds fun. I get why that couldn't be a competitive format though

Kaylesh

Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 30, 2015, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 30, 2015, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: Rass on April 30, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 29, 2015, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?

I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format
That's called houserules :p
Thing is, wizards adopted the EDH casual format. The French rules were made for competitive 1v1 commander, but the origin of the game is much like Planechase or Emperor or Rainbow. And I don't see any competitions arising in those.

What's rainbow?
5 players, each represents a color. The two players next to you are allied, opposite enemy. You sit in the same order as the colors on the color wheel. So {W} is allied with {G} and {U} and enemies with {B} and {R} etc. The allies that are the last ones standing win.

So if I'm {W}, my allies are {G} and {R}, but my allies are each allied with one of my enemies? That makes for some bizarre matchups later in the game. If {B} gets eliminated, it becomes all out war between {R} and {U}, while {W} and {G} get to breath easier. Wow. That actually sounds fun. I get why that couldn't be a competitive format though
It makes for complex decisions, in the sense of: do I help my ally if that also helps my enemy? {U} has a common enemy with {B} in {G}, but what if {W} puts a {pacifism} on a {B} creature? Do you counter your allies' spell so {B} can use it to kill off {G}?
Best fun we had was each of us running in the colors we represented. Back in the 4rth edition days. With the devotion decks and shifts in the colour pie, enemy guilds, mill etc, it would make a whole different ball game. But yeah, strictly casual.

Dsx Cherno

This would be crazy as mono color EDH decks

Kaylesh

Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 30, 2015, 03:03:47 PM
This would be crazy as mono color EDH decks
For total mayhem, add Vanguard, Planescape and make it a villain rumble. :))
And throw in the chaos cards!

Dsx Cherno

Quote from: Kaylesh on April 30, 2015, 03:06:25 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 30, 2015, 03:03:47 PM
This would be crazy as mono color EDH decks
For total mayhem, add Vanguard, Planescape and make it a villain rumble. :))
And throw in the chaos cards!

Oh jeez. That might be too much to keep track of

Brawler_1337

Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 09:43:54 AM
Wizards also adopted 2 headed giant from when we would play as teams (did anyone ever play with joint mana?). My point is, EDH could easily be a hugely popular competitive format, if wizards would just pull the damn trigger.

Wizards doesn't call the shots with EDH. They're respecting the creators of the format by letting them retain control over it with the rules committee. It's not that WotC won't make EDH a competitive format; it's because the rules committee doesn't *want* EDH to become a competitive format.

Kaylesh

Legality of {treasure cruise} still incorrect after today's update.

Nymuera

Quote from: Kaylesh on April 30, 2015, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: Rass on April 30, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on April 29, 2015, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on April 29, 2015, 08:07:22 AM
Quote from: Piotr on April 29, 2015, 01:11:39 AM
It would remove reason to play for other people, can you see it?

I don't see how. If wizards said "do what you want at home, but if you wanna play in our arena, this is how it's done", it would give competitors like me a reason to play, and the casuals can keep doing their thunderdome, no-one-can-agree-on-anything format
That's called houserules :p
Thing is, wizards adopted the EDH casual format. The French rules were made for competitive 1v1 commander, but the origin of the game is much like Planechase or Emperor or Rainbow. And I don't see any competitions arising in those.

What's rainbow?
5 players, each represents a color. The two players next to you are allied, opposite enemy. You sit in the same order as the colors on the color wheel. So {W} is allied with {G} and {U} and enemies with {B} and {R} etc. The allies that are the last ones standing win.

This is also called Star.