Dega Tokens

Started by Teysa karlov, March 31, 2015, 06:10:08 AM

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Teysa karlov


Dega Tokens

60 cards, 0 sideboard


2 {Temple of Malice}
3 {Temple of Silence}
3 {Mountain}
4 {Nomad Outpost}
4 {Plains}
2 {Battlefield Forge}
4 {Swamp}
2 {Caves of Koilos}

24 lands


4 {Butcher of the Horde}
2 {Brimaz, King of Oreskos}
4 {Goblin Rabblemaster}
4 {Seeker of the Way}

14 creatures


2 {Secure the Wastes}
3 {Hero's Downfall}
1 {Spear of Heliod}
4 {Hordeling Outburst}
2 {Bile Blight}
3 {Thoughtseize}
3 {Sorin, Solemn Visitor}
4 {Raise the Alarm}

22 other spells


Sideboard

Notes:


redwolv

I would take {dragon fodder} over the raise the alarm.

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: redwolv on March 31, 2015, 10:53:24 AM
I would take {dragon fodder} over the raise the alarm.

Disagree, instant speed and not being forced to swing due to {Goblin Rabblemaster} is a good thing. However I might make room for it anyways.

{Brutal Hordechief}?

particle

Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.

redwolv

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 12:52:31 PM
Quote from: redwolv on March 31, 2015, 10:53:24 AM
I would take {dragon fodder} over the raise the alarm.

Disagree, instant speed and not being forced to swing due to {Goblin Rabblemaster} is a good thing. However I might make room for it anyways.

{Brutal Hordechief}?

Whoa didn't notice they where at different speeds.

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.

Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.

particle

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.

Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.

Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.

Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.

Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.

At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.

Crossed

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.

Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.

Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.

At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.

If he has rabblemaster, then he has a repeatable token to sac

particle

Quote from: Crossed on April 01, 2015, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.

Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.

Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.

At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.

If he has rabblemaster, then he has a repeatable token to sac

If rabble is living you should be winning without needing sacrificial tokens and butcher.

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 12:27:19 PM
Quote from: Crossed on April 01, 2015, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.

Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.

Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.

At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.

If he has rabblemaster, then he has a repeatable token to sac

If rabble is living you should be winning without needing sacrificial tokens and butcher.

There's this thing called stalemates. I've heard 5/4 fliers are pretty good at breaking them.

But yes if {Goblin Rabblemaster} is providing reliable sacs then you're already doing something right.

particle

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 01, 2015, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 12:27:19 PM
Quote from: Crossed on April 01, 2015, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.

Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.

Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.

At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.

If he has rabblemaster, then he has a repeatable token to sac

If rabble is living you should be winning without needing sacrificial tokens and butcher.

There's this thing called stalemates. I've heard 5/4 fliers are pretty good at breaking them.

But yes if {Goblin Rabblemaster} is providing reliable sacs then you're already doing something right.

5/4s that die to most removal in the format do not necessarily get through board stalls. Rabble should be able to get through whatever stalemate is being presented and trade with whatever is clogging up the way.

Crossed

Quote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 03:54:08 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 01, 2015, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 12:27:19 PM
Quote from: Crossed on April 01, 2015, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.

Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.

Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.

At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.

If he has rabblemaster, then he has a repeatable token to sac

If rabble is living you should be winning without needing sacrificial tokens and butcher.

There's this thing called stalemates. I've heard 5/4 fliers are pretty good at breaking them.

But yes if {Goblin Rabblemaster} is providing reliable sacs then you're already doing something right.

5/4s that die to most removal in the format do not necessarily get through board stalls. Rabble should be able to get through whatever stalemate is being presented and trade with whatever is clogging up the way.

You're comparing a 5/4 flier with potential lifelink that dies to most removal to a 2/2 token producer, that has potential get bigger and has a giant target painted in its head, but dies to an even greater amount of removal which includes all 2 powered creatures. The 5/4 flier fits a more reliable position.

Kaylesh

{outpost siege} in dragons mode for stalls?

particle

Quote from: Crossed on April 02, 2015, 03:26:07 AM
Quote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 03:54:08 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 01, 2015, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: particle on April 01, 2015, 12:27:19 PM
Quote from: Crossed on April 01, 2015, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 09:33:06 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 31, 2015, 05:47:16 PM
Quote from: particle on March 31, 2015, 04:11:56 PM
Red doesn't seem worth the splash here imo.

Not worth {Hordling Outburst} and {Goblin Rabblemaster}? I kinda agree. I'd like to see {Dragon Fodder} and maybe {Stoke the Flames} to make it worthwhile.

Agreed. Butcher is also not that good.

At least not without {Bloodsoaked Champion} or another repeating sac thingy.

If he has rabblemaster, then he has a repeatable token to sac

If rabble is living you should be winning without needing sacrificial tokens and butcher.

There's this thing called stalemates. I've heard 5/4 fliers are pretty good at breaking them.

But yes if {Goblin Rabblemaster} is providing reliable sacs then you're already doing something right.

5/4s that die to most removal in the format do not necessarily get through board stalls. Rabble should be able to get through whatever stalemate is being presented and trade with whatever is clogging up the way.

You're comparing a 5/4 flier with potential lifelink that dies to most removal to a 2/2 token producer, that has potential get bigger and has a giant target painted in its head, but dies to an even greater amount of removal which includes all 2 powered creatures. The 5/4 flier fits a more reliable position.

But the major difference is, {butcher of the horde} does not win the game on his own. {goblin rabblemaster} does this easily.