Gods devotion

[Dusktreader749]

so what type of effect is gods devotion I.e. State based, triggered, activated

[Dusktreader749]

Which leads me to my other question. If I cloud shift a creature during combat which would cause a god to lose its devotion for that time but it comes back before state based action check is the God still attacking

[Kaylesh]

Of I read the description it is constantly checked, so even during resolution. Unsure though.

[Dusktreader749]

But there is no time for it to check between when it enters and when it leaves

[Kaylesh]

But there is no time for it to check between when it enters and when it leaves

That's why I'm unsure, not even sure if it is state based or continuous. Like a creature has p/t equal to cards in hand. This is always checked. If you cast {winds of change} it will have toughness 0 during resolution. However, it will not go to the yard, since state based actions are not checked during resolution.
Based on this ruling, the god will cease to be a creature during resolution of {cloudshift}. If it will actually leave combat, I am unsure.

[Kaylesh]

Hang on. I think I found the flaw in our logic. The ability isn't state based, it's continueous. Whenever devotion drops below threshold, the god ceases to be a creature, even in the case of a blink. I think I am right in believing this blink would cause the god to drop out of combat. I will research further though.

[particle]

Hang on. I think I found the flaw in our logic. The ability isn't state based, it's continueous. Whenever devotion drops below threshold, the god ceases to be a creature, even in the case of a blink. I think I am right in believing this blink would cause the god to drop out of combat. I will research further though.

Yea this is right. If a god ceases to be a creature, which will occur here, it will be removed from combat.

[Avnger345]

Just  {Cloudshift} Before combat and they can't attack with it cause it just entered the battlefield.

[rarehuntertay]

If you want a brain-fry, read this: http://www.starcitygames.com/article/27209_Circular-Logic-With-Theros-Gods.html

[Kaylesh]

however,

If you do a {wheel of fate} and have a  creature with power and toughness equal to the number of cards in hand.... does it die? This goes along with the whole state check ups

This does concern the state based checks. However, the devotion check is a continuous effect. The toughness will be 0 during resolution, however it will not go to yard, as the state based actions are only checked after resolution, once the creature has toughness over 0.

[Avnger345]

You can't cloud shift your opponents creatures...

Didn't read the card. Lol

[Dusktreader749]

You can't cloud shift your opponents creatures...

Didn't read the card. Lol

I was saying you cloud shift to save a creature of yours or something but any immediate exit and entry works in this spot. But thanks I asked some other people this and they wouldn't explain why it did.

[Remillo]

To put an official answer on it:

Yes, your God would be removed from combat.  Devotion is constantly checked, and if it dips down to the point where the God is no longer a creature, it stops being a creature, even if it's for a fleeting moment while something else is resolving.  Because it stopped being a creature, it  is removed from combat, even if it's a creature after that moment.

[particle]

To put an official answer on it:

Yes, your God would be removed from combat.  Devotion is constantly checked, and if it dips down to the point where the God is no longer a creature, it stops being a creature, even if it's for a fleeting moment while something else is resolving.  Because it stopped being a creature, it  is removed from combat, even if it's a creature after that moment.

Yay I was right!

[rarehuntertay]

To put an official answer on it:

Yes, your God would be removed from combat.  Devotion is constantly checked, and if it dips down to the point where the God is no longer a creature, it stops being a creature, even if it's for a fleeting moment while something else is resolving.  Because it stopped being a creature, it  is removed from combat, even if it's a creature after that moment.

That's because gods are fickle creatures. I attack. Oh, I lose a worshiper? Fine, I stop attacking. Oh, he's back? Still not worthy of my attack...