Humble Defector

[Z5]

if I use {humble defector}'s ability, and in response I exile it with {cloudshift} will I then have an untapped {humble defector} (after everything has resolved)

[Chargingswadger]

Yes. Triggers go on. Cloud shift resolves, blinking defector. You draw teo cards, and then it looks make him defect, but he is a new object.

[Z5]

Yes. Triggers go on. Cloud shift resolves, blinking defector. You draw teo cards, and then it looks make him defect, but he is a new object.

So in other words I draw two cards and keep him.

[Munchlax]

Yes. Triggers go on. Cloud shift resolves, blinking defector. You draw teo cards, and then it looks make him defect, but he is a new object.

So in other words I draw two cards and keep him.

No you don't. His requirements for drawing two cards are tapping him. That would be the only time you could flicker him. There is no time after you've drawn two cards from his ability that you could cast Cloudshift

[particle]

Yes. Triggers go on. Cloud shift resolves, blinking defector. You draw teo cards, and then it looks make him defect, but he is a new object.

So in other words I draw two cards and keep him.

No you don't. His requirements for drawing two cards are tapping him. That would be the only time you could flicker him. There is no time after you've drawn two cards from his ability that you could cast Cloudshift

Yes you do. you pay the costs that include tapping it, and then you receive priority. You will not yet draw the cards, but the trigger will be on the stack. You can then respond by {cloudshift}ing your defector. The draw ability is not dependent on you transferring your defector. Cloudshift will resolve first, blinking defector. Then draw ability will resolve. Note that new defector will be summoning sick.

[Z5]

Yes. Triggers go on. Cloud shift resolves, blinking defector. You draw teo cards, and then it looks make him defect, but he is a new object.

So in other words I draw two cards and keep him.

No you don't. His requirements for drawing two cards are tapping him. That would be the only time you could flicker him. There is no time after you've drawn two cards from his ability that you could cast Cloudshift

Yes you do. you pay the costs that include tapping it, and then you receive priority. You will not yet draw the cards, but the trigger will be on the stack. You can then respond by {cloudshift}ing your defector. The draw ability is not dependent on you transferring your defector. Cloudshift will resolve first, blinking defector. Then draw ability will resolve. Note that new defector will be summoning sick.

Thanks, its to bad he doesn't have haste... Hmm lemme see if I can do a red draw deck.

[Nfidel2k]

Yes. Triggers go on. Cloud shift resolves, blinking defector. You draw two cards, and then it looks make him defect, but he is a new object.

I need some help understanding please - isn't that one of the seven exceptions?

400.7. An object that moves from one zone to another becomes a new object with no memory of, or relation to, its previous existence. There are seven exceptions to this rule:

     400.7g A resolving spell or activated ability can perform actions on an object that moved from one zone to another while that spell was being cast or that ability was being activated, if that object moved to a public zone.

Doesn't that mean that even if you exile and return the defector, the defector still goes to target opponent when its ability resolves?

[particle]

Yes. Triggers go on. Cloud shift resolves, blinking defector. You draw two cards, and then it looks make him defect, but he is a new object.

I need some help understanding please - isn't that one of the seven exceptions?

400.7. An object that moves from one zone to another becomes a new object with no memory of, or relation to, its previous existence. There are seven exceptions to this rule:

     400.7g A resolving spell or activated ability can perform actions on an object that moved from one zone to another while that spell was being cast or that ability was being activated, if that object moved to a public zone.

Doesn't that mean that even if you exile and return the defector, the defector still goes to target opponent when its ability resolves?

The first rule you quoted is the relevant one here. Since its a new object, it will have no connection to the old ability. The triggered ability will not find the new defector. 

Edit: the amendment you provided talk about the object moving while the ability was activated. This is not what's happening. The ability has already been activated, and you are responding to it.

[Nfidel2k]

Ahh, so because the object was moved as a response it does not fall under the exception...  Thanks!

[particle]

But that's where I have the confusion.  The ability is on the stack and resolving, which is part of the exception.  I understood the first rule to mean that if the ability had targeted the {Humble Defector}, the targeting would be negated - but since the ability does not target the defector it would resolve as normal when you draw the two cards as an exception under the second rule.

But it's not mid resolving when you cast {cloudshift}. It hasn't started to resolve at all. Then once cloudshift fully resolves, after players pass priority, the ability would resolve. The rule your quoting would only be able to find the defector if something happened during that last step where the ability is resolving.

[Nfidel2k]

lol too many edits. But thanks again, now I get it.

[mickeven]

So step by step it would.

Tap  {Humble Defector}
Draw 2 cards, anc target opponent gains control of it go on stack

Respond with {Cloudshift}
Cloudshift goes on stack.

Cloudshift resolves sending Humble Defector to space and then back untapped as a completely new creature.

Draw cards resolves and so does target opponent gains control, however it doesnt go to opponent because it's a completely new Humble Defector.

Is this correct?

[particle]

So step by step it would.

Tap  {Humble Defector}
Draw 2 cards, anc target opponent gains control of it go on stack

Respond with {Cloudshift}
Cloudshift goes on stack.

Cloudshift resolves sending Humble Defector to space and then back untapped as a completely new creature.

Draw cards resolves and so does target opponent gains control, however it doesnt go to opponent because it's a completely new Humble Defector.

Is this correct?

Yes. You draw 2, and the ability fails to find the source.

[mickeven]

Got it. thanks dude. Now, would it be able to work with  {Conjurer's Closet}? How would you time that?

[Oldschoolmtgnoob]

Got it. thanks dude. Now, would it be able to work with  {Conjurer's Closet}? How would you time that?

That's interesting. Can you activate something before a triggered ability goes off? Because you can't response to it, otherwise that would resolve in the wrong order. I feel like that wouldn't work unless you're allowed to delay single triggered events. Now if you had two end step triggers, you could probably tap defector in response to the first, then let closet stack, then start eating your pancakes.