Reserved list

[InfinitiveDivinity]

It is a Collectible Card game. Emphasis on Collectible. I like the idea of the Reserved List for the older cards, even though it was a mistake, because it maintains the collectibility of the game. No cards will be put on the Reserve List now, but every card from I think Mercadian Masques is eligible for a reprint. One of the main reasons, IMO, that Magic has not gone the way of yugimonz is because we are not massively reprinting every single card into lower and lower rarities. Wizards is doing a good job with the reprints.
On another note: Even if they did reprint duals and other "reserved" cards in a special set that wasn't Vintage legal, they still would not be legal for EDH, as "commander is played with vintage legal cards". (Mtgcommander.net)

I'm sure if they made reprints strictly for EDH accessibility they could easily make a rule for EDH only legal cards. I for one would be fine with that, as there are quite a few high end cards I could use in my EDH decks. All they would need is new borders and maybe new art so judges could see the difference. I wouldn't be okay with reserved reprints other than that specific scenario though personally.

[Rass]

How about reprinting the same card with different names. Example.  {Prodigal Sorcerer} And  {Zuran Spellcaster}

Say  {Volcanic Island} To something like {mountain island}.

I mean your not reprinting the card your just making a card that does the same thing.

Or just ban all cards on the reserved list. Then it would make it all a level playing field.

[rarehuntertay]

Would it be nice to have reserve-list reprints for EDH-only that the EDH RC would approve? Heck yeah, I'd snatch a set up in a heartbeat. Even though there are a bunch of crappy cards on the reserve list lol

[Rass]

I'm not going to commit to spending 300 on a volcanic island if it'll just be reprinted and have a value plummet.

Lots of people don't even play legacy/vintage when it's affordable. (See mtgo)

Don't throw a hissy fit if something isn't immediately in your budget that isn't actually played that much.

I bought my duals on the expectation that if I need the money I can sell them and get my money back. It wasn't an investment, I just expect to not lose $1000+ overnight.

It's not an investment, I just don't want to lose the money I spent.
Which means it's exactly an investment.

Why do you buy a car with a high re-sale value?

An investment is trying to make money, which I'm not

Because it usually means it will last. Low amount of money to keep it up and running. Not really a good comparison. IMO.

[Rass]

Regardless, you get my point. It's not an investment, but you are buying it on the assumption that it will hold its value.

Idk. I am not thinking it's gonna hold value. I'm hoping I can sell out before the next major mass exodus of players/collectors. I have a bunch of baseball and basketball cards that I was gonna retire on but that market (late 80's to mid 90's) really didn't keep up. So I play it for fun collect stuff I can and hope for the best.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

How about reprinting the same card with different names. Example.  {Prodigal Sorcerer} And  {Zuran Spellcaster}

Say  {Volcanic Island} To something like {mountain island}.

I mean your not reprinting the card your just making a card that does the same thing.

Or just ban all cards on the reserved list. Then it would make it all a level playing field.

Your suggestion won't work, the reserved list says it won't reprint a card or functionally reprint a card. The second suggestion would work, but it would drastically change legacy and vintage. The only real solution is reprinting the cards, and the cards would retain at least 80% of their value because of collectability.

[MuggyWuggy]

Or suck it up and use steam vents and pay 2 life

[Rass]

How about reprinting the same card with different names. Example.  {Prodigal Sorcerer} And  {Zuran Spellcaster}

Say  {Volcanic Island} To something like {mountain island}.

I mean your not reprinting the card your just making a card that does the same thing.

Or just ban all cards on the reserved list. Then it would make it all a level playing field.

Your suggestion won't work, the reserved list says it won't reprint a card or functionally reprint a card. The second suggestion would work, but it would drastically change legacy and vintage. The only real solution is reprinting the cards, and the cards would retain at least 80% of their value because of collectability.

Ah I never really read much into the reserved list thanks.

[Rass]

Or suck it up and use steam vents and pay 2 life

Lol that sounds more like something taysby would say. So basically your saying (yes I am paraphrasing and putting words into your mouth) who ever has more money should get the advantages or don't play in our sandbox.

[MuggyWuggy]

Why can't people just pay 2 life? Why do you HAvE to have the volcanic island?

If you can't afford the BMW 7 series, you either don't get a BMW or you get a 3 series because you still wanna drive a BMW. So you wanna play legacy? Get the 3 series and eventually you can win the money (lands) for the 7 series (completed tier 1 Lego deck)

If this game was meant to have equal playing field then all legacy decks should be available at target for $20.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Why can't people just pay 2 life? Why do you HAvE to have the volcanic island?

If you can't afford the BMW 7 series, you either don't get a BMW or you get a 3 series because you still wanna drive a BMW. So you wanna play legacy? Get the 3 series and eventually you can win the money (lands) for the 7 series (completed tier 1 Lego deck)

If this game was meant to have equal playing field then all legacy decks should be available at target for $20.

Okay, first of all, comparing cars is a TERRIBLE analogy. If it were only a matter of aesthetics that would be another matter. If you want a more accurate analogy, try this: if you want to join Nascar, but can't afford a racecar, a used Prius should be good enough.

As for the Target comment: bull. WotC is a company and it is in their best interest for cards to hold some value, but we all know WotC would never put Legacy decks into Target for $20. No one is asking for $20 decks, they are asking for an unreasonable policy that artificially inflates the values of format staples to be done away with.

[Dstyle1]

Or suck it up and use steam vents and pay 2 life

Lol that sounds more like something taysby would say. So basically your saying (yes I am paraphrasing and putting words into your mouth) who ever has more money should get the advantages or don't play in our sandbox.

This is how it is now. You don't have to get out of the sandbox, just know our shovel is bigger than yours.😕

[MuggyWuggy]

Why can't people just pay 2 life? Why do you HAvE to have the volcanic island?

If you can't afford the BMW 7 series, you either don't get a BMW or you get a 3 series because you still wanna drive a BMW. So you wanna play legacy? Get the 3 series and eventually you can win the money (lands) for the 7 series (completed tier 1 Lego deck)

If this game was meant to have equal playing field then all legacy decks should be available at target for $20.

Okay, first of all, comparing cars is a TERRIBLE analogy. If it were only a matter of aesthetics that would be another matter. If you want a more accurate analogy, try this: if you want to join Nascar, but can't afford a racecar, a used Prius should be good enough.

As for the Target comment: bull. WotC is a company and it is in their best interest for cards to hold some value, but we all know WotC would never put Legacy decks into Target for $20. No one is asking for $20 decks, they are asking for an unreasonable policy that artificially inflates the values of format staples to be done away with.

You want to reprint but you don't want it that cheap but you want the staples to be affordable?

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Why can't people just pay 2 life? Why do you HAvE to have the volcanic island?

If you can't afford the BMW 7 series, you either don't get a BMW or you get a 3 series because you still wanna drive a BMW. So you wanna play legacy? Get the 3 series and eventually you can win the money (lands) for the 7 series (completed tier 1 Lego deck)

If this game was meant to have equal playing field then all legacy decks should be available at target for $20.

Okay, first of all, comparing cars is a TERRIBLE analogy. If it were only a matter of aesthetics that would be another matter. If you want a more accurate analogy, try this: if you want to join Nascar, but can't afford a racecar, a used Prius should be good enough.

As for the Target comment: bull. WotC is a company and it is in their best interest for cards to hold some value, but we all know WotC would never put Legacy decks into Target for $20. No one is asking for $20 decks, they are asking for an unreasonable policy that artificially inflates the values of format staples to be done away with.

You want to reprint but you don't want it that cheap but you want the staples to be affordable?

I want a reprint, and I want the reprinted cards to be in a more affordable range ($40-100, depending on the card). I totally understand that cards can't be free or else people wouldn't buy boxes, but (a) there are fewer and fewer legacy/vintage staples every day and the format will eventually die and (b) I think the cheapest printing of a card being $300-$5000 is ridiculous. I would be perfectly fine if the ABUR dual lands never come down in price because it is a collector card, but I think there should be a cheaper printing of the card. Basically, you can have your 7 series, and I will be happy with my 3 series, but don't tell me "you can ride a bicycle in the Nascar race because it is close enough to a car."

[NovusOrbis]

Want to play standard, decks around $150-$300
"Oh play modern bro, totally affordable/ not stagnant" All the same decks $300-$1200
"Play legacy man, you can play any card. Oh, you can't bust out a couple grand? Too bad, should have invested in cardboard man"

Anyone who had the cards from the start or spend thousands on a game will say no, and the people who want to play say abolish it.
I understand the value of the P9 as simple collectors items, but the rest of the reserved list is ridiculous. It's like they're saying no to the people that want to play their game. With the same purpose of MM, to increase modern play, they could feasibly do a Legacy Masters. Did any of the MM reprints hurt prices? Sure. Did people lose thousands and the cards prices drop to an affordable range? No. It makes sense to try and get more people into more formats and potentially attract new players, but that's just my opinion.