one of the best questions i have ever heard

Started by Rothsteine, January 01, 2015, 10:20:13 PM

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Rothsteine

i was looking at a website and i saw a question. would it be murder to kill someone who is on death row? If not, why is anything murder?  i'm a bit of a pessimist and this just made me think, and i wanted to here all your opinions

MuggyWuggy

Well murder is defined as a unlawful premeditated killing of one human by another.

So if this an unlawful killing happened, then yes.

By law, a sentence to death by X manner is lawful


Mr_Fahrenheit

Quote from: Taysby on January 02, 2015, 12:38:28 AM
It's murder. There's always a chance he gets a pardon, so it's not a for sure thing.
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i dont think thats actually relevant.]

Rothsteine

Quote from: cltrn81 on January 01, 2015, 10:59:27 PM
Read this and then report back

http://www.owensworld.com/jokes/medical/suicide-or-murder-or-suicide
wow, umm not sure where to start, im calling that suicide, but my point was that everone is on "death row" considering we will all die.  but if someone just shortens our existence is that murdur. ex. if someone kills a man in death row, murdur or not

particle

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on January 01, 2015, 10:32:27 PM
Well murder is defined as a unlawful premeditated killing of one human by another.

So if this an unlawful killing happened, then yes.

By law, a sentence to death by X manner is lawful

Agreed. Murder and killing have different definitions in english. Murder is unlawful, but the person performing lethal injection is normally being directed by the law to do so. Now if your just talking about shooting someone who is on death row, "cause there gonna be executed anyway" is definitely murder and unlawful.


griffin131

Quote from: Rothsteine on January 02, 2015, 01:30:03 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on January 01, 2015, 10:59:27 PM
Read this and then report back

http://www.owensworld.com/jokes/medical/suicide-or-murder-or-suicide
wow, umm not sure where to start, im calling that suicide, but my point was that everone is on "death row" considering we will all die.  but if someone just shortens our existence is that murdur. ex. if someone kills a man in death row, murdur or not
If someone shortens our existence unlawfully - very important word you keep forgetting to use.

NovusOrbis

Killing a killer does nothing to reduce the amount of killers in the world- Winston Churchill. You're still killing someone regardless if it's sanctioned.

Cender

Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 02, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
Killing a killer does nothing to reduce the amount of killers in the world- Winston Churchill. You're still killing someone regardless if it's sanctioned.

I'd argue that quote questions the merits of the law and does not impugn the individual upholding the law for following through with it.

Rass

So much gray areas in this. Makes it too hard to really comment. Would really need to know the background. I could easyally spin a right or wrong situation.

NovusOrbis

Quote from: Cender on January 02, 2015, 12:15:17 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 02, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
Killing a killer does nothing to reduce the amount of killers in the world- Winston Churchill. You're still killing someone regardless if it's sanctioned.

I'd argue that quote questions the merits of the law and does not impugn the individual upholding the law for following through with it.
Murder= unlawful killing
Execution= sanctioned killing
You're still killing someone. You would still be a killer. Regardless if that killing was legal(execution, self defense) or illegal(murderin all degrees, manslaughter).

Piotr

Quote from: Cender on January 02, 2015, 12:15:17 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 02, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
Killing a killer does nothing to reduce the amount of killers in the world- Winston Churchill. You're still killing someone regardless if it's sanctioned.

I'd argue that quote questions the merits of the law and does not impugn the individual upholding the law for following through with it.

The point of punishment is not reduction of killers in the world, it is to remove guilt via restitution and retribution. In murder case there can be no restitution as we cannot raise dead yet.

particle

Quote from: Piotr on January 18, 2015, 04:46:49 AM
Quote from: Cender on January 02, 2015, 12:15:17 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 02, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
Killing a killer does nothing to reduce the amount of killers in the world- Winston Churchill. You're still killing someone regardless if it's sanctioned.

I'd argue that quote questions the merits of the law and does not impugn the individual upholding the law for following through with it.

The point of punishment is not reduction of killers in the world, it is to remove guilt via restitution and retribution. In murder case there can be no restitution as we cannot raise dead yet.

There is more than one "point" to punishment. One is certainly to deter others from doing it. How is guilt being removed? Even if you do your sentence, that doesnt mean your now innocent. Your still guilty of the crime, but that doesnt mean you cant positively contribute to society after the fact.

InfinitiveDivinity

Quote from: particle on January 18, 2015, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: Piotr on January 18, 2015, 04:46:49 AM
Quote from: Cender on January 02, 2015, 12:15:17 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 02, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
Killing a killer does nothing to reduce the amount of killers in the world- Winston Churchill. You're still killing someone regardless if it's sanctioned.

I'd argue that quote questions the merits of the law and does not impugn the individual upholding the law for following through with it.

The point of punishment is not reduction of killers in the world, it is to remove guilt via restitution and retribution. In murder case there can be no restitution as we cannot raise dead yet.

There is more than one "point" to punishment. One is certainly to deter others from doing it. How is guilt being removed? Even if you do your sentence, that doesnt mean your now innocent. Your still guilty of the crime, but that doesnt mean you cant positively contribute to society after the fact.
I would just drop the topic before this turns into another ban-a-thon.