Best Generals in the Format

Started by Munchlax, November 04, 2014, 07:27:00 PM

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JordanCirk

Quote from: Dudecore on November 04, 2014, 11:33:53 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on November 04, 2014, 11:27:29 PM
No one brings up {The Mimeoplasm}? It's pretty degenerate. Copying a {True Name Nemesis} and my commander has protection from you? Or copy {Skitheryx the Blight Dragon} and haste insta win? Or T1 {Entomb} {Jin Gitaxias, Core Augur} into T2 {Exhume}, {Animate Dead}, {Dance of the Dead} etc. gg lol

{Sedris, the Traitor King} can do reanimator too. I think the list is looking for broken commanders, not broken colors. Which is why I disagree with Oloro, because {Sen Triplets}, {Dromar the Banisher} and {Sharuum the Hedgemon} every other Esper commander ran Stax before Oloro became the best at it. If he were banned I'd just move my list back to Dromar.

Arcum and Deveri pretty much have decks build around their brokenness.
Ahh I forgot about derevi. But in reply to the oloro stax thing, there's about 3 people in my meta that run it! It's a fairly common deck surprisingly.

Dudecore

Quote from: Munchlax on November 04, 2014, 11:45:29 PM
So should Sedris be on the list?

I feel like Sedris and {The Mimeoplasm} should NOT be on the list. As well as {Oloro, Ageless Ascetic}. I think the colors are the problem. Cards like {Zur the Enchanter} are oppressive strategies that only work with a tutor like Zur. Stax has existed forever and works with tons of different commanders, including {Zurgo Helmsmasher} of all people. Hell, even {Zur the Enchanter} is a replacement Commander for Oloro in Esper Stax, might even be better.

Spikepit

Maybe dude is right, Munch!

I remembered a similar post to this a while ago, might help your list out?

http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=40580.0

rarehuntertay

Are you looking for multiplayer commanders or 1v1 French commanders?

Gorzo

Am I the only one that feels like "best" is maybe the wrong word for this?

"Best" can mean a billion things in this context. Fastest? Most reliable? Most competitive? Most fun to play? Most enjoyed by the whole table? Strongest individual legendary creature, ignoring decks/themes that go with it? And so on.

Which are you looking for, for the purpose of this list, exactly? :P

MarduArrow



Munchlax

Quote from: Gorzo on November 05, 2014, 01:06:39 AM
Am I the only one that feels like "best" is maybe the wrong word for this?

"Best" can mean a billion things in this context. Fastest? Most reliable? Most competitive? Most fun to play? Most enjoyed by the whole table? Strongest individual legendary creature, ignoring decks/themes that go with it? And so on.

Which are you looking for, for the purpose of this list, exactly? :P
I'm looking mostly for the generals that when you see them at the table, you groan because you know exactly what's coming and it scares the entire table because the deck that is associated with that general is just way too good. Also, Oloro should be on here. He is simply the best Esper Stax General right now. If he were banned yes there would be another one that would take over but they would not be quite as good as Oloro.

DimirOverlord1300

Quote from: Temur_Tendency on November 05, 2014, 02:45:28 AM
Quote from: MarduArrow on November 05, 2014, 01:08:55 AM
{Kaalia of the Vast}
This
The problem with kaalia is if she's tucked (which isn't too hard, she doesn't protect herself) you're screwed. Your game plan rides more on her than it safely should, and compared to Zur where half your deck is counterspells that amount of dependency is bad. Not saying I don't like kaalia, I do.

Gorzo

Ah, so power/competitive.

Here's my list for the 10 most powerful generals, in no particular order:

Narset
Kaalia
Zur
Uril
Rafiq
Arcum
Nekusar
Derevi
Oloro
Xenagos

particle

no one has mentioned {azami, lady of scrolls}?

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: Gorzo on November 05, 2014, 10:54:33 AM
Ah, so power/competitive.

Here's my list for the 10 most powerful generals, in no particular order:

Narset
Kaalia
Zur
Uril
Rafiq
Arcum
Nekusar
Derevi
Oloro
Xenagos
The only changes I'd make to this list would be take out kaalia and Xenagos for prossh and marath

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: Taysby on November 05, 2014, 10:22:21 AM
Then you use one of your bajillion tutors to find her again.  You are playing black...
This.

Kaalia with haste

Quote from: Hexproof_is_the_best on November 05, 2014, 11:41:17 AM
Quote from: Gorzo on November 05, 2014, 10:54:33 AM
Ah, so power/competitive.

Here's my list for the 10 most powerful generals, in no particular order:

Narset
Kaalia
Zur
Uril
Rafiq
Arcum
Nekusar
Derevi
Oloro
Xenagos
The only changes I'd make to this list would be take out kaalia and Xenagos for prossh and Azami

Gorzo

I could see replacing Xenagos for azami, but there's no way Kaalia doesn't deserve to be on the list. If I had to cut that 10 down to 5, she'd still be on it, she's that strong.