9/11 serious post

[NovusOrbis]

Did it ever occur to you that Israel is just as much at fault? That Zionism is one of the most wrong-headed movements ever conceived? They've reached the state of strapping bombs on people because of a multitude of reasons. Your gross over-simplification for justifying violence is the same as any despot. Leaving the Middle East alone and restraining Israel would certainly help in ratcheting down tensions and not give violent groups living artillery dispensing billboards for recruitment.

I wasn't familiar with the term Zionism until now. From my google crash course it's Jews wanting to live in Israel. Not seeing the problem, even though I don't agree with it. Is there some sort of radical movement I'm not familiar with?

I never said America was the victim. They've been fueling the fire. But if all both sides do is stoke the flames then what?

My gross over-simplification for justifying violence? Explain to me when I over-simplified. Correct me if you're going to say such things.

America can't really afford to leave the Middle East alone. They're too heavily invested in it. That being said it would certainly help if they worked on their public image over there. (By that I basically mean "were a lot nicer")

Restraining Israel? From doing what? Don't you think restraining Israel might make an enemy of say, Israel?

If you're unfamiliar with the formation of Israel and it's continued antagonizing relationship with the rest of the Middle East, you aren't informed enough to talk about policy in the area.

That's quite rude. I'd say "Zieg Heil, brother" but don't want to violate Godwin'a rule.
What does Zionism have to do with Iraq and Afghanistan, and Syria anyways? Israel only formed after world war 2, and the whole collective area was called trans Palestine. Before British rule the whole area has just been, gross.

[NovusOrbis]

Did it ever occur to you that Israel is just as much at fault? That Zionism is one of the most wrong-headed movements ever conceived? They've reached the state of strapping bombs on people because of a multitude of reasons. Your gross over-simplification for justifying violence is the same as any despot. Leaving the Middle East alone and restraining Israel would certainly help in ratcheting down tensions and not give violent groups living artillery dispensing billboards for recruitment.

I wasn't familiar with the term Zionism until now. From my google crash course it's Jews wanting to live in Israel. Not seeing the problem, even though I don't agree with it. Is there some sort of radical movement I'm not familiar with?

I never said America was the victim. They've been fueling the fire. But if all both sides do is stoke the flames then what?

My gross over-simplification for justifying violence? Explain to me when I over-simplified. Correct me if you're going to say such things.

America can't really afford to leave the Middle East alone. They're too heavily invested in it. That being said it would certainly help if they worked on their public image over there. (By that I basically mean "were a lot nicer")

Restraining Israel? From doing what? Don't you think restraining Israel might make an enemy of say, Israel?

If you're unfamiliar with the formation of Israel and it's continued antagonizing relationship with the rest of the Middle East, you aren't informed enough to talk about policy in the area.

That's quite rude. I'd say "Zieg Heil, brother" but don't want to violate Godwin'a rule.
What does Zionism have to do with Iraq and Afghanistan, and Syria anyways? Israel only formed after world war 2, and the whole collective area was called trans Palestine. Before British rule the whole area has just been, gross.

The Holocaust was the final push that occurred for a movement that started in the 19th century. The land that was set aside for Israel (and the land it continues to encroach on) was and continues to be inhabited by a large group of Palestinians that have been forced into smaller and smaller spaces. It has been the rallying cry of Pan-Arabist movements since the time of Nasser. The British mucked about and created whole states from cloth in an attempt to make the whole area more governable (see The Invention of Iraq). The west needs to just leave well enough alone.

And I don't doubt any of that. Both sides extremists' goals are nefarious, and I just don't think leaving it alone would be any better than trying to do something about it.