9/11 serious post

[Ekann1]

Not saying that, but they don't vote in the US...

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

Not saying that, but they don't vote in the US...

Does that mean they're unimportant?

[Ekann1]

Not saying that, but they don't vote in the US...

Does that mean they're unimportant?

Not at all. What I'm saying is you'll have a hard time convincing most voters to die for them.

[rarehuntertay]

Not saying that, but they don't vote in the US...

Does that mean they're unimportant?

Not at all. What I'm saying is you'll have a hard time convincing most voters to die for them.

I have a hard time explaining to people that in US Prseidential Elections, your vote really doesn't count. The Popular Vote doesn't count, it's the Electoral Vote that counts. And those people usually vote in December, after the General Election...

[Ekann1]

Or at least are supposed to...

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

Just because voters don't like it that doesn't make it right.

[NovusOrbis]

110,937–121,227 civilian deaths from violence from March 2003 to December 2012. According to the Iraq Body Count Project.

US Military killed   6,639
US Military wounded   50,422
US DoD Civilians killed   16
US Civilians killed (includes 9/11 and after)   3,000 +
US Civilians wounded/injured   6,000 +
Total Americans killed (military and civilian)   9,655 +
Total Americans wounded/injured   56,422 +
Total American casualties   66,077 +
That's excluding casualties from the following coalition against terrorism:
NATO participants:
NATO

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Albania
Belgium
Bulgaria
Canada
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Turkey
United Kingdom
Non-NATO participants:

Afghanistan
Pakistan
Yemen
Iraq
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Algeria
Armenia
Australia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Burkina Faso
Chad
Colombia
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Finland
Georgia
India
Indonesia
Ireland
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
South Korea
Macedonia
Malaysia
Mali
Mauritania
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Moldova
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
Philippines
Qatar
Rwanda
Russia
Senegal
Singapore
Sweden
Thailand
Tonga
Tunisia
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
International missions *:

NATO—ISAF
Operation Enduring Freedom Allies
Northern Alliance
Multi-National Force – Iraq
Combined Joint Task Force – Horn of Africa
(* note: most contributing nations are included in the international operations)

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

Then those killers keep killing.  And killing.  And killing.

Keep things in perspective.  Is it bad that innocents died?  Yes.  Should we have let terrorists do their thing?  No.

And the only reason innocents died was because the terrorists were taking the war into the cities.  It is their fault so many innocents died.  They have no appreciation for life.

So as revenge for 3000 deaths we take 2.5 million? Doesn't seen fair. We should let them kill until we catch them in the act.

So we shouldn't go after bank robbers unless the police catch them in the bank so they don't accidentally arrest the wrong person?

Bank robbers are much easier to find than international terrorists. And no, we shouldn't make a final arrest unless we're sure.

[Gocougs509]

Then those killers keep killing.  And killing.  And killing.

Keep things in perspective.  Is it bad that innocents died?  Yes.  Should we have let terrorists do their thing?  No.

And the only reason innocents died was because the terrorists were taking the war into the cities.  It is their fault so many innocents died.  They have no appreciation for life.

So as revenge for 3000 deaths we take 2.5 million? Doesn't seen fair. We should let them kill until we catch them in the act.

Catch them in the act? How exactly are you supposed to catch the incinerated body of a suicide bomber in the act?

It's nowhere near as simple as you seem to think it is, and while you've done a good job at pointinf out many problems with the war on terror, you have yet to offer anything close to a could have been a better course of action. These aren't bank robbers, they are people who don't even value their own lives, let alone anyone else's.

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

Then those killers keep killing.  And killing.  And killing.

Keep things in perspective.  Is it bad that innocents died?  Yes.  Should we have let terrorists do their thing?  No.

And the only reason innocents died was because the terrorists were taking the war into the cities.  It is their fault so many innocents died.  They have no appreciation for life.

So as revenge for 3000 deaths we take 2.5 million? Doesn't seen fair. We should let them kill until we catch them in the act.

Catch them in the act? How exactly are you supposed to catch the incinerated body of a suicide bomber in the act?

It's nowhere near as simple as you seem to think it is, and while you've done a good job at pointinf out many problems with the war on terror, you have yet to offer anything close to a could have been a better course of action. These aren't bank robbers, they are people who don't even value their own lives, let alone anyone else's.

You'll notice the masterminds of al queda did not burn to a crisp in a suicide bombing. You can do it and lose less lives.

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

And you'll notice that they never left their home base.  How do we find them without the war on terror?

It'd take years but millions of innocents wouldn't die for something they didn't do.

[Distriimuir]

And you'll notice that they never left their home base.  How do we find them without the war on terror?

It'd take years but millions of innocents wouldn't die for something they didn't do.

Hah!  did you not notice how many innocents died in 1 attack from them?

So 7000 deaths justify killing hundred of thousands of innocents?

[Distriimuir]

So the possibility of another issue justifies lying to the public about why we were invading( WMD weren't there which is fact), killing almost a million innocent women and children, an our new "war" on oil producing countries that won't work with us anymore? Only  reason we care about Syria or keep our relations with the barbaric Saudis is their oil, same with Iran.

[LinkCelestrial]

Jihadists (the only label I have for ISIS and similar organizations) are impossible to negotiate with. (Generally). They are so into their warped religion that they believe they must kill all of America and Israel (big and little satan, respectively) or get as close to that goal as possible so their 12th Imam can show up. The 12 Imam is the 12th coming of "Christ" where he sets the world right.

I do not agree with what America did. The war they launched wasn't properly aimed at who needed to get punished for what happened. I believe there was a hidden agenda. But there hasn't been something like 9/11 since then. (That I'm aware of.)

I don't buy into the conspiracy that 9/11 was faked so America could launch an attack. But some of the evidence is scary.

IMO 9/11 was a tragedy that needs to never repeat itself. Something needs to be done about ISIS and other such organizations. The only option I know of is fighting back, I don't know how to do that without innocents dying. It's probably impossible, /but innocents are already dying./

Don't forget that Jihadist =/= Muslim.

[Ekann1]

Don't forget that Jihadist =/= Muslim.

This. So much this.