Ferguson

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Give me one example of a successful society where the police could not use lethal force.

You have a point here, however, lethal force should only be used as an absolute last resort

Which I agree with.

But what happened here was a case of "shoot first ask questions later"

He felt sufficiently threatened.  He was reaching for the officers gun.

We still don't know what happened (and may never)

[Arbitratur]

Not for nothing, but there are quite a few cases in ferguson where the police did very "questionable" things.

[MuggyWuggy]

And still nothing yet, it's the usual tactic: draw out the details so that no conclusion will be seen by the masses.

We will probably have a white kid go crazy and kill 10-30 people, he will be captured alive or kill himself and then we will have 3-4 weeks of focusing on the "Why did he do it?" TIL we get another similar case to this or another awful thing...

[ELLERfeller]

This is a prime example of overreaction of the masses. Both parties are in the wrong. Cops are trained to shoot to kill. The incident itself is of no question to me the boy's fault. But the important part is the rioting that took place and the police are at fault for that. They responded with force immediately without considering the consequences. But the riots were not all peaceful protests like they claim it was. That's where both parties are in the wrong not the shooting but the rioting. The cop did his job, I'm not praising him and the death of a young-adult is tragic but the boy was not a saint to be held up as a martyr.

[ihasfrozen]

This is a prime example of overreaction of the masses. Both parties are in the wrong. Cops are trained to shoot to kill. The incident itself is of no question to me the boy's fault. But the important part is the rioting that took place and the police are at fault for that. They responded with force immediately without considering the consequences. But the riots were not all peaceful protests like they claim it was. That's where both parties are in the wrong not the shooting but the rioting. The cop did his job, I'm not praising him and the death of a young-adult is tragic but the boy was not a saint to be held up as a martyr.

A police officer's job is not to kill people.

[MuggyWuggy]

This is a prime example of overreaction of the masses. Both parties are in the wrong. Cops are trained to shoot to kill. The incident itself is of no question to me the boy's fault. But the important part is the rioting that took place and the police are at fault for that. They responded with force immediately without considering the consequences. But the riots were not all peaceful protests like they claim it was. That's where both parties are in the wrong not the shooting but the rioting. The cop did his job, I'm not praising him and the death of a young-adult is tragic but the boy was not a saint to be held up as a martyr.

A police officer's job is not to kill people.

I believe it is to protect and serve to community?

[ihasfrozen]

This is a prime example of overreaction of the masses. Both parties are in the wrong. Cops are trained to shoot to kill. The incident itself is of no question to me the boy's fault. But the important part is the rioting that took place and the police are at fault for that. They responded with force immediately without considering the consequences. But the riots were not all peaceful protests like they claim it was. That's where both parties are in the wrong not the shooting but the rioting. The cop did his job, I'm not praising him and the death of a young-adult is tragic but the boy was not a saint to be held up as a martyr.

A police officer's job is not to kill people.

I believe it is to protect and serve to community?

From two kids jaywalking. The use of lethal force in the situation was unnecessary.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

We still don't know what happened.......

Although Jon Stewart did a nice job discussing everything last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUi2A6tUYQk He even took the Fegusson Challenge.

[MuggyWuggy]

it wasn't lethal force because the jaywalked...

But jay walking led to lethal force...

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

It was another action that led to the lethal force, the jaw walking just caused the cop to walk over and say "hey don't do that plz, there is a cross walk right there."

Also, the argument keeps changing from race, to police brutality, to militarization of the military and back again depending on the response they get.  It's never consistent.  What is it?  is it all of it?  it doesn't ever sound like that.  It just seems like one at any given point.  It seems to me like their only valid response is to change the argument to something else where the aforementioned comment is irrelevant.

Yes, I am sure that the conversation that ended with 6 lethal shots started with, "hey don't do that please."

[MuggyWuggy]

It was another action that led to the lethal force, the jaw walking just caused the cop to walk over and say "hey don't do that plz, there is a cross walk right there."

Also, the argument keeps changing from race, to police brutality, to militarization of the military and back again depending on the response they get.  It's never consistent.  What is it?  is it all of it?  it doesn't ever sound like that.  It just seems like one at any given point.  It seems to me like their only valid response is to change the argument to something else where the aforementioned comment is irrelevant.

Sounds like faux has spun your head around


The issue is still about excessive police force, it should not go unanswered. They need regulation and better standards, 6 months in a training program is not enough to allow someone to freely interpret the law and ask as judge in addition to enforcer. Not only allow that person to carry a hand gun holstered at all times.

Give all cops a mandatory camera that rolls constantly each shift. They monitor the rest of us, why not the police?

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Seem like nice guys: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

For those who don't follow the link, Ferguson police arrested a man whom they though had an outstanding warrant (same last name, legitimate mistake), but wouldn't release him, put him in an occupied cell and refused to give him a sleeping mat (which were right next to the cell), and then beat the $hit out of him for no reason. The Ferguson police then charged the man with "property damage" because he bleed on the uniforms of the police officers. After Mr. Davis (the black dude) filed for a civil suit to get back his $1,500 bond for property damage, he was charged with assault. In the civil suit, the officers admitted they lied on the report and all of the charges were dropped. The police, "saved the wrong footage" and there are no records for the police because they don't keep them. The police were never charged because, "a federal magistrate ruled that the apparent perjury about the 'property damage' charges was too minor to constitute a violation of due process." Yeah, all on the straight and narrow, nothing fishy here.

[MuggyWuggy]

Yes cops abusing their position is a problem, black people end up feeling it the most as many black men can be described as "African American male, little to no hair, 5'7-6'2 approx 145-200lbs"

There's a viral post from a man who was detained for no reason other than fitting a broad description was held over night and had his car towed, then they(police) found out they had it all wrong and released him.

They won't pay for his towed car, his public shaming (sat him on curb for at least an hour) and don't really acknowledge that they (the police) really fucked up on some racial profiling

[MuggyWuggy]

Seem like nice guys: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

For those who don't follow the link, Ferguson police arrested a man whom they though had an outstanding warrant (same last name, legitimate mistake), but wouldn't release him, put him in an occupied cell and refused to give him a sleeping mat (which were right next to the cell), and then beat the $hit out of him for no reason. The Ferguson police then charged the man with "property damage" because he bleed on the uniforms of the police officers. After Mr. Davis (the black dude) filed for a civil suit to get back his $1,500 bond for property damage, he was charged with assault. In the civil suit, the officers admitted they lied on the report and all of the charges were dropped. The police, "saved the wrong footage" and there are no records for the police because they don't keep them. The police were never charged because, "a federal magistrate ruled that the apparent perjury about the 'property damage' charges was too minor to constitute a violation of due process." Yeah, all on the straight and narrow, nothing fishy here.

Yes this is another story I've heard of from the area, often many St. Louis police move from city to city after doing a shady thing like this instead of being permanently fired from the police force.

Another STL officer hog tied and beat a 12 year old boy.
I will find that link, absolutely digusting

[NovusOrbis]

Injustice of all forms makes my blood boil...
Clarionledger.com/story/news/2014/08/25/Witness-Beaton-man-told-restaurant-safe-whites/14575435
Sorry I can't link, I just use the mobile version
But this is just sad. It's the people that do these kinds of things that cause people to stereotype and hate. Violence is never a means to social justice.