Obamas impeachment campaign debate

[Mlerner12]

The government is stealing my money to give it to someone else.

First off it's stealing you're parents money. You love with your parents still, no? You're 18.
Second, no it's not. It's asking for it, and you're saying "OK, here's money."

[Mlerner12]

So i can just not pay my taxes?  Get with the program mlerner.

Yes you can, but you get punished for it. Almost nobody does.

[Mlerner12]

So i can just not pay my taxes?  Get with the program mlerner.

Yes you can, but you get punished for it. Almost nobody does.

I will get thrown in jail, and be forced to pay it plus court fees.  There is no way to get past it.  If you try and say that's an option, you aren't being logical in the least.

It's not theft.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

theft- see stealing
stealing - Taking someone's property without permission and without intending to return it.

Taxes are theft if I don't want to pay it, and i don't want to pay for other's healthcare.

OMG, what a coincidence! There were a ton of people who thought like you today at work! The toddlers really enjoyed the library...

Its called a social contract, and if you dont like it, leave the country. You may not want to pay for other's healthcare, but guess what, not everyone is a selfish jerk like you You obviously have more than enough cash to buy idiotic stilts and stupid glasses, so maybe now Lily can get her life saving surgery.

[Mlerner12]

theft- see stealing
stealing - Taking someone's property without permission and without intending to return it.

Taxes are theft if I don't want to pay it, and i don't want to pay for other's healthcare.

Note the definition says "without permission or legal right". They have the legal right.

[Spencer Addington]

It's still taking it from me without my permission which is theft, even if it's legal.

Actually, it's not.

[Piotr]

It's still taking it from me without my permission which is theft, even if it's legal.

Actually, it's not.

Under iMtG law, totally illegal.

[Spencer Addington]

It's still taking it from me without my permission which is theft, even if it's legal.

Actually, it's not.

Under iMtG law, totally illegal.

Were we discussing imtg law?

[Ekann1]

It's still taking it from me without my permission which is theft, even if it's legal.

Actually, it's not.

Under iMtG law, totally illegal.

Were we discussing imtg law?

Piotr sometimes seems to give the impression that imtg law is the only law

[Rass]

It's still taking it from me without my permission which is theft, even if it's legal.

When you apply for a job you have to fill out tax papers. This you are agreeing to pay taxes. You can choose not to work and you will not need to pay taxes. But all your life you have benefited by previous people paying taxes. Do you drive on the road? Guess what taxes. You go to the park? Taxes.

Taxes are necessary. Corruption and miss management that is a whole other story.

[Wingnut]

Let's be real for a minute or two. What needs to happen is that the money NEEDS to be removed from .politics.. Congress gets a yearly salary of $1,000,000 (yes folks that's one million), that's enough money to not whine we're not being paid enough. BUT, every shred of your life and finances are scrutinized, ANY indication of "donations" to your personal benefit and you are fired from congress, stripped of ALL wealth, and tried for treason against the United States. Congress themselves cannot change laws that impact congress, those are created by the president and the judicial system directly. To top it all off, 8 years of service max (maybe 12), then your told good day sir. No health care for life, not retirement paid for, not "severance pack" just a good old get a f'n job. Make these people responsible for the decisions they are making and take the god damn money out of congress IMMEDIATELY. This I feel should be step one.

[Wingnut]

It's still taking it from me without my permission which is theft, even if it's legal.

When you apply for a job you have to fill out tax papers. This you are agreeing to pay taxes. You can choose not to work and you will not need to pay taxes. But all your life you have benefited by previous people paying taxes. Do you drive on the road? Guess what taxes. You go to the park? Taxes.

Taxes are necessary. Corruption and miss management that is a whole other story.

You do not "agree" to pay taxes. You must pay taxes or you will be out into jail. This folks is not called stealing, it is called extortion. BUT, yes, taxes are necessary, I 100% agree. But the government should also have to answer for the money they spend ($30,000 for toilette seats, he'll no, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200). Everyone should have to pay the same tax %, the same, wait, what's that? Nope, the same. Capped for the number of kids you have, oh, you have 8 kids and get back $15,000 in taxes but make $20,000 a year? Here's $5,000 instead, birth control and a budget. Stop having kids for a tax deduction.


Ok, I'm done. Rass, this isn't directed to you a bit man, just wanted to quote about agreeing to pay taxes that's all and ended up on a tangent/rant. Sorry bro.

[MuggyWuggy]

I totally agree about transparency of the govt accounts

We don't need to know about their R&D in full detail, but at least let us know you dropped all of our funds into the NSA etc

[Wingnut]

It's still taking it from me without my permission which is theft, even if it's legal.

When you apply for a job you have to fill out tax papers. This you are agreeing to pay taxes. You can choose not to work and you will not need to pay taxes. But all your life you have benefited by previous people paying taxes. Do you drive on the road? Guess what taxes. You go to the park? Taxes.

Taxes are necessary. Corruption and miss management that is a whole other story.

You do not "agree" to pay taxes. You must pay taxes or you will be out into jail. This folks is not called stealing, it is called extortion. BUT, yes, taxes are necessary, I 100% agree. But the government should also have to answer for the money they spend ($30,000 for toilette seats, he'll no, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200). Everyone should have to pay the same tax %, the same, wait, what's that? Nope, the same. Capped for the number of kids you have, oh, you have 8 kids and get back $15,000 in taxes but make $20,000 a year? Here's $5,000 instead, birth control and a budget. Stop having kids for a tax deduction.


Ok, I'm done. Rass, this isn't directed to you a bit man, just wanted to quote about agreeing to pay taxes that's all and ended up on a tangent/rant. Sorry bro.

Well with the amount of buildings the gov makes, 30,000 might be reasonable for toilet seats. 

I agree on everyone paying the same percent.
And that example with the exception of birth control.  Cap the rebate but no birth control.  I shouldn't have to pay to make someone else not have kids when they could just not have sex.

Yeah the birth control was over the top. It was more aimed towards making it so that people don't have a financial incentive to keep having children (trust me, there ARE people who have children so that their government assistance will increase). I just wish that there was more responsibility in the world, and the government is not helping the situation.

[Munchlax]

I just read through this whole thread and it's kinda funny to see the vast majority of different views here. I for one agree that we shouldn't have to pay for other people's health care. This does not mean I think we shouldn't pay for taxes.

Also why should really get back on the topic of why Obama should/should not get impeached