BURWELL, SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, ET AL . v . HOBBY LOBBY STORES,

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Wondered what people thought about the recent supreme court ruling, Burwell v. Hobby Lobby. For those who don't know, Hobby Lobby contested that they didn't need to pay for certain types of contraceptives (specifically, the morning after pill and a few other similar products) which was previously required by Obamacare. The Supreme Court ruled that closely held (companies with 5 or fewer people owning at least fifty percent of the company) companies could object to some areas of Obamacare (the morning after pill stuff) due to religious purposes. Employees can still get the contraceptives, but Hobby Lobby doesn't have to pay for certain types. Furthermore, the Supreme Court limited the ruling adding, "This decision concerns only the contraceptive mandate and should not be understood to hold that all insurance-coverage mandates, e.g., for vaccinations or blood transfusions, must necessarily fall if they conflict with an employer's religious beliefs."

I personally think this is a huge victory for everyone. I completely agree with the 5-4 majority. What do you think?

[MuggyWuggy]

Your employer shouldn't say whether or not you can get birth control just because they have religious beliefs. Keep in mind this is a large for profit corporation not a small mom and pop store with 15 employees

[Rass]

Please let's stay on topic. We can start another topic for marriages.

[Rass]

I think it's bullsht. Either you have to give insurance or you don't. There are way to many religions to start picking and choosing what ok or not ok. I'm gonna go to the extreme here.

My religion says that modern medicine is the devil And it is gods will for you to live or die. So if you catch some kind of infection it's god trying to bring you back home. So they shouldn't pay for any prescriptions or doctors visits.

[Remillo]

Something to chew on on the other side of the coin - How many of these 'religious' companies pay  for ED pills and 'male enhancement' for their male employees?  Hobby Lobby still covers Viagra, for instance.  If it's God's plan that you're going to get pregnant and we shouldn't stop it, isn't it also God's plan that you either are or become unable to get it up?

If you're going to pay to bolster the sex life of one sex, pay to make it safe for the other.  It doesn't seem that difficult to understand.

[MuggyWuggy]

ACA was to cover everyone, just because you're butt hurt it passed, you shouldn't cause a legal hoopla for contraceptives if you're a decent sized for profit corporation. This now allows the possibility for other corporations to find loopholes and scam themselves out of paying a fee, while their employee, most likely a middle class citizen will now have even more of a tax burden on themselves.

I just don't get why conservatives think allowing corporations power is good for the individual in the long run.

[TheRagingMage]

For example, i don't want gay marriage legalized because then it starts down a path to FORCE the religions to allow gay marriage which would be bad.  However, if they added a "religions are exempt from this ruling" I wouldn't care too much.  That made it so it couldn't happen.

I think the problem with this is that nobody is pro-gay marriage.  People are anti-gay marriage and pro-CHOICE.  If some one is gay and is part of a religion that is strongly opposed to gay marriage, he (or she) can choose to not marry.  There is not a group of people that want to FORCE people who are gay to get married.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Let's be clear: this ruling only means that close held companies don't have to pay for certain kinds of birth control. The employees can still get those kinds of birth control, but the company doesn't have to pay for them. I am pro-choice and pro-Obamacare, but I think this is a fair ruling.

[Moneekahh]

Could you please elaborate? I fail to see how this ruling is fair...

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Could you please elaborate? I fail to see how this ruling is fair...

You can still get any birth control you choose, just in some cases you have to pay for it. Don't get me wrong, I would have preferred that Hobby Lobby still had to pay for all birth control, but with a conservatively leaning Supreme Court, this is the best we could hope for. This is a fair ruling because everyone gets a little victory: women can still use whatever type of birth control they want, Hobby Lobby still pays for birth control, but not the ones that it religiously objects to, and the SC closed the door on this reasoning ever affecting another area such as vaccinations. Is it the ruling everyone was hoping for? No. Is it the ruling I would have given? No, but it is a ruling that does its best to please everyone.

[Apathy Reactor]

I agree with the ruling. It seems to be in everyone's best interest. The workers can still get what they want, they just have to pay for it, The employer does not have to pay for something that he opposes religiously, and his disagreement is limited to this one area so that he cannot exploit the system. All seems fair to me.

[Rass]

ohhhhhhh...  Well then, they should pay for it if a doctor deems it necessary to help them have normal periods.  Im just opposed to making them pay for people to not get pregnant from that one thing that will make my filter block this page.

Good to know the magic word that blocks taysby. 


My other point would be. You don't want to pay for birth controll is the company gonna up the amount they pay for all the doctor and hospital visits for having a child?

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Could you please elaborate? I fail to see how this ruling is fair...

You can still get any birth control you choose, just in some cases you have to pay for it. Don't get me wrong, I would have preferred that Hobby Lobby still had to pay for all birth control, but with a conservatively leaning Supreme Court, this is the best we could hope for. This is a fair ruling because everyone gets a little victory: women can still use whatever type of birth control they want, Hobby Lobby still pays for birth control, but not the ones that it religiously objects to, and the SC closed the door on this reasoning ever affecting another area such as vaccinations. Is it the ruling everyone was hoping for? No. Is it the ruling I would have given? No, but it is a ruling that does its best to please everyone.

Regardless of that, for what it's worth, I think it was a fair ruling even though I don't like that they still have to pay for some birth control.

You do realize that birth control isn't used solely as a contraceptive, don't you? Some women need it for regular periods. That's fairly common.

Companies still need to pay for those, the Supreme Court only exempts them from "abortion pills" such as the day after pill.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Could you please elaborate? I fail to see how this ruling is fair...

You can still get any birth control you choose, just in some cases you have to pay for it. Don't get me wrong, I would have preferred that Hobby Lobby still had to pay for all birth control, but with a conservatively leaning Supreme Court, this is the best we could hope for. This is a fair ruling because everyone gets a little victory: women can still use whatever type of birth control they want, Hobby Lobby still pays for birth control, but not the ones that it religiously objects to, and the SC closed the door on this reasoning ever affecting another area such as vaccinations. Is it the ruling everyone was hoping for? No. Is it the ruling I would have given? No, but it is a ruling that does its best to please everyone.

Regardless of that, for what it's worth, I think it was a fair ruling even though I don't like that they still have to pay for some birth control.

You do realize that birth control isn't used solely as a contraceptive, don't you? Some women need it for regular periods. That's fairly common.

Companies still need to pay for those, the Supreme Court only exempts them from "abortion pills" such as the day after pill.

I'm aware of that. My point was that regular birth control isn't used solely as a contraceptive as Taysby thinks. He thinks companies shouldn't have to pay for ANY birth control because people shouldn't be doing the Big Dirty and I was informing him that some women need birth control for regular periods.

Oh...gotcha!

[MuggyWuggy]

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