Karatbars is not a scam/scheme/whatever

[Rass]

What I am saying is why would I use you as a referral at karat bar why not go there myself?  What benefit do I have?  Also don't I get a better benefit if I am more direct to them so I can get more percentages from the people below me? 

And hate to say it but this is biased. He is trying to sell you on it. My examples look at ciggerette commercials of the 70's.

If you use forbes, money magazine, bbc, pbs, or something of that nature then sure. I can post a you tube video showing how you can jump off a several story building or catch a bullet with your teeth and live. If I link one of those will you try it.

[TreeSmoker]

What happens when they kick your door in and give you new bracelets?

There is no possible way karatbars is scamming anyone.  Watch the FREAKING video before making any other claims.

I watched the first 5 minutes and here's what I've learned so far:

That I hate incredibly long videos that has nothing but an annoying guy talking and reading the slide show that's attached to the video.
And i still dont believe it.
Most things that are scams always put "this isn't a scam/scheme" in the begining..

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

Just posting to keep up with this. Taysby, you can't win this.

[TreeSmoker]

Didnt you claim the Germans failed with gold in the past...?

[TreeSmoker]

Just posting to keep up with this. Taysby, you can't win this.

Just because you can't argue with idiots who won't do any research on how the company functions and that just jump to "it's a scam" with NO evedince. 

So now we are idiots because we dont want to watch a 30 minute video explaining the scam? That's appropriate.

[TreeSmoker]

It's people like you that dont give up and consistently repeat themselves everywhere that drives ME nuts. Now we are even.

[Distriimuir]

Sadly I stuck up for taysby in the other gold thread, but after seeing what he pushing i no longer back you. Karatbar is being investigated as of two months ago. You make money off people joining under you, an ten if they do the same. That is the prime example of a scam company. You'll look back at this in a few years and see how naive you  were. This will fail just like all the other scams.

[Rass]

PROVE HOW ITS A SCAM!  YOU HAVE GIVEN 0 EVIdNCE OF HOW ITS A SCAM!

And I have given a ton of proof of how it's not.

What evidence did you give it's not a scam? A video by someone who works for them.

[Distriimuir]

You need to research scam companies taysby. From what I just researched I found people aren't getting the full gram of gold, and it's more than the market value of its weight. So your paying more for something you can invest in with a actual gold refinery which would charge you less. This is a scam, you will see that with time.

[Rass]

Look, people buy 1 gram of gold for $65.  You get something valuable in exchange for your money.  How is that a scam?

Also, what type of scam are you guys talking about?  Just "scam" is way too vague.

I said it sounds like a pyramid scheme

A pyramid scheme is an unsustainable business model that involves promising participants payment or services, primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, rather than supplying any real investment or sale of products or services to the public.[1][2]

[Distriimuir]

I can get a gram of 24 kt gold for 40$, your company asks 65$ for something that isn't a gram. That screams scam loud and clear. Read reviews of people who joined and quit when they came to their senses and saw how they are cheating themselfs and others. Like I said you'll see in time how wrong you were.

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

Just posting to keep up with this. Taysby, you can't win this.

Just because you can't argue with idiots who won't do any research on how the company functions and that just jump to "it's a scam" with NO evedince. 

Not because you won't watch a 30 minute video.  Because you "know" it's a scam with 0 research on your part.  It's idiots like that that drive me nuts.

Get #rekt.gov

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Conan.  Paper currency's that have nothing to back it have a 100% failure rate.  Every single one of them will fail.  Even the dollar.  It's happened to Germany multiple times, it just happened in chile.  Ukraine is going through it right now.

The dollar is headed that way right now.  Inflation.  It's unavoidable.  The dollar is becoming worth less and less, while gold holds it's value.  No one has any plans to stop inflation except go back to the gold standard.

Gold has always been worth something.  Never has it not been worth something.  The value of the gold doesn't constantly fluctuate up and down.  The value of the currency is what fluctuates.

Then why are you selling it?

I don't sell it.  I direct people to the company and make a commission.  The company sells it because a) they didn't just go out and spend a couple billion dollars on gold.  No person could do that.  They use the money they get from selling their previous gold to get new gold.  The individual people buy their gold through the company and don't sell it.  They save it for when the currency tanks and need to buy milk and gas.

Ok. First the person who just bought the L.A. Clippers just spent $2 billion on them. So it could be done.

Second. Why would I buy from you when I could go directly to karat bar?

Third if the US dollar crashes the only thing gold will be good for is looting.

You do not buy through me.  I direct you to karatbars international and whatever you buy straight from them, I make a commission off of.

What are you talking about?  That's like saying if the dollar crashes, a {black lotus} will be worth nothing! and no one will want it.  Gold is inherently valuable. Gold will always have value.  People have used gold for thousands of years, it's just that in the last 150, we've come away from it.

Gold, just like paper money, doesn't have intrinsic value. Just like paper money, gold's value is derived from what the gold represents; buying power, piece of mind etc. You say that gold has never not been worth something, but in the history of man that is obviously false.  Gold only has the value that people ascribe to it. In terms of it being a precious metal, it has value for computers and various other materials, but most of that can be supplemented by other materials like silver.
I am not saying gold has no value. I am saying its value is determined the exact same way that paper money's value is determined: supply and demand. You cannot definitively say that gold will always have value because you do not know that. 

edit: all these quotes got my statement confused. if any mod or anyone can separate my statement from taysbys quote that would be awesome. thanks.

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{rAss}

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Taysby hope you can read my comment and its not too screwed up in quote land.

[TreeSmoker]

Provide us 100 links that people are 100% satisfied with this scam