Farewell.

[Spencer Addington]

Wow, since when did our community transform from a group of people who share ideas and rely on each other's honesty to such a viscous pack of wolves willing to turn on one of their own so voraciously?

Ok, she had some trade issues, and she said some things that might lack truth, and maybe she didn't handle the trial well.

Not everyone handles situations well when faced with accusations. I'm sure we can recount a situation In our own lives where we made the wrong choice. Hell Piotr handled lots of things poorly. But let's all be honest, we participate in these forums because we like the people (for the most part) we like the content and we would like to trust each other.

She did some insaaaane lying, are you saying that's not against iMtG

Can you 100% prove she was lying? Maybe she wasn't and you just hurt someone's feelings by slandering their name as a liar, and if you are accusing someone of something without solid proof does that not make you a liar as well?

Bro.. This is the internet. Just assume everything is a lie unless proven otherwise.

[MarduArrow]

Wow, since when did our community transform from a group of people who share ideas and rely on each other's honesty to such a viscous pack of wolves willing to turn on one of their own so voraciously?

Ok, she had some trade issues, and she said some things that might lack truth, and maybe she didn't handle the trial well.

Not everyone handles situations well when faced with accusations. I'm sure we can recount a situation In our own lives where we made the wrong choice. Hell Piotr handled lots of things poorly. But let's all be honest, we participate in these forums because we like the people (for the most part) we like the content and we would like to trust each other.

She did some insaaaane lying, are you saying that's not against iMtG

Can you 100% prove she was lying? Maybe she wasn't and you just hurt someone's feelings by slandering their name as a liar, and if you are accusing someone of something without solid proof does that not make you a liar as well?

Couldn't she provided us proof of all the claims she made?

Perhaps, but what kind of proof would you be looking for? Pictures? What if, like myself when I first started to use the forum, she didn't know how to post pictures, or if she did post pictures what would stop the vicious wolves of the forum from labelling them as fake? If I bought a pack of JiN that turned out to be a god pack and posted a picture what's to stop you from claiming that I just bought all 15 gods and took a picture of them with an empty booster pack wrapper?

[Spencer Addington]

Wow, since when did our community transform from a group of people who share ideas and rely on each other's honesty to such a viscous pack of wolves willing to turn on one of their own so voraciously?

Ok, she had some trade issues, and she said some things that might lack truth, and maybe she didn't handle the trial well.

Not everyone handles situations well when faced with accusations. I'm sure we can recount a situation In our own lives where we made the wrong choice. Hell Piotr handled lots of things poorly. But let's all be honest, we participate in these forums because we like the people (for the most part) we like the content and we would like to trust each other.

She did some insaaaane lying, are you saying that's not against iMtG

Can you 100% prove she was lying? Maybe she wasn't and you just hurt someone's feelings by slandering their name as a liar, and if you are accusing someone of something without solid proof does that not make you a liar as well?

Couldn't she provided us proof of all the claims she made?

Perhaps, but what kind of proof would you be looking for? Pictures? What if, like myself when I first started to use the forum, she didn't know how to post pictures, or if she did post pictures what would stop the vicious wolves of the forum from labelling them as fake? If I bought a pack of JiN that turned out to be a god pack and posted a picture what's to stop you from claiming that I just bought all 15 gods and took a picture of them with an empty booster pack wrapper?

You do realize that the vicious wolfing happened after a trial was started against her, and instead of providing evidence to a mod, which would be very simple, like asking for an email and sending pics that way, she left. In the trial she said "I didn't do that" and "thank you"... That's it! Who doesn't want to prove their innocence?

[MarduArrow]

Wow, since when did our community transform from a group of people who share ideas and rely on each other's honesty to such a viscous pack of wolves willing to turn on one of their own so voraciously?

Ok, she had some trade issues, and she said some things that might lack truth, and maybe she didn't handle the trial well.

Not everyone handles situations well when faced with accusations. I'm sure we can recount a situation In our own lives where we made the wrong choice. Hell Piotr handled lots of things poorly. But let's all be honest, we participate in these forums because we like the people (for the most part) we like the content and we would like to trust each other.

She did some insaaaane lying, are you saying that's not against iMtG

Can you 100% prove she was lying? Maybe she wasn't and you just hurt someone's feelings by slandering their name as a liar, and if you are accusing someone of something without solid proof does that not make you a liar as well?

Couldn't she provided us proof of all the claims she made?

Perhaps, but what kind of proof would you be looking for? Pictures? What if, like myself when I first started to use the forum, she didn't know how to post pictures, or if she did post pictures what would stop the vicious wolves of the forum from labelling them as fake? If I bought a pack of JiN that turned out to be a god pack and posted a picture what's to stop you from claiming that I just bought all 15 gods and took a picture of them with an empty booster pack wrapper?

You do realize that the vicious wolfing happened after a trial was started against her, and instead of providing evidence to a mod, which would be very simple, like asking for an email and sending pics that way, she left. In the trial she said "I didn't do that" and "thank you"... That's it! Who doesn't want to prove their innocence?

The trial was opened accusing her of trade theft, muggy received the cards along with evidence suggesting that they were in fact sent before the trial was opened, she left, from what I can tell, because she was bullied out of the forum by said wolves publicly and I suspect by pm, and personally I believe she deserves an apology

[TreeSmoker]

The cards were dated for when the trial started against her and it said "this is not Cynthia's fault"

[TreeSmoker]

Did you read the entire trial?

[MarduArrow]

I did

[Piotr]

What do you think of this note?

[TreeSmoker]

Who are you asking Piotr?

[Rass]

@ s717

I can appreciate you trying to stand up for someone who you may feel was wronged. If you look in muggs trial I also suggested people to bring up their own trial. So it would not be a pile up on someone. But and it's a big but here. How is it that s/he always happened to 1up everyone. Innistrad just went up in price two hours later they found one for a discounted price. Zendikar block goes up in price they just happened to have a box of each sealed to sell over eBay price that night. Someone mentions give mind in an edh deck. Their new modern hive mind deck is killing everyone. The Facebook page. Sparkle had a huge wedding with all these friend but only 3 people on Facebook. Sorry too much bull .poo.. I could be completely wrong. But I'm willing to bet a decent chunk of change that sparkle was some high school attention lady (jkjk had to do it). I've been on the internet for too long and seen this before and will see it again.

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

I'm not saying what is right or wrong but who are we to demand proof? What if I gloated about my collection of sables and never gave any proof? Pretend they had value in the market, pretend for a second they were black lotuses, who are we to ever demand a picture of anything? Why not just except a persons claims as grand rather than not truthful? She had no obligation to prove anything to us. Was it annoying and a bit jealousy inducing to imagine sealed booster boxes of sets we want cards from sure, and here is someone saying they are  doing what we wish we could. Does it irritate us? Maybe, but it is not our place to say prove it. If it bugs a person so much, block her so you never had to see the claims again.

I just don't like seeing a community get so hateful.

Burden of proof rests on the claimer. And don't you think it's a bit illogical all the things she claimed? Is it wrong to want the truth? Because the truth is out there, Scully.

[Rass]

Basically if they are gonna lie about this petty bs what's gonna stop them from living about sending a trade.

[MuggyWuggy]

Catfish is catfish

[Mr_Fahrenheit]

Nobellama, I believe the point is that if someone is making outrageous claims, we are well within our rights to say 'that seems unlikely, until I see proof I won't believe it'. And when it happens over and over and over again, it does become annoying because I, for one, get sick of bullshit rather quickly. As long as you are not overly offensive about requesting proof, I don't see the problem. And when it seems like someone is continually trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, or take advantage of people, the line has to be drawn. Whether it was drawn in a respectful manner in this case, is not my place to say. But I don't think it's against anyone's legitimate interests to draw that line.

[Mr_Fahrenheit]

And as far as Taysby is concerned, it's about time someone exposed him.