Obama Hates Christians/Likes Muslims

Started by Taysby, June 09, 2014, 03:31:51 PM

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Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

A) The Supreme Court never ruled that we are a "Christian nation", what you are referring to is a statement from Justice Brewer, whilst discussing Church of the Holy Trinity v US (not an actual ruling, just that dude's opinion).
B) I'd like to point you to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" and Engel v. Vitale, where the Supreme Court upheld the idea after years of it slipping away.
C) Even if your chain email were true, IT DOESN'T MATTER. Obama is free to support any religion that he chooses, it is his personal choice and has nothing to do with us.

FlickerYourOwnIdentity

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 12, 2014, 07:17:00 AM
A) The Supreme Court never ruled that we are a "Christian nation", what you are referring to is a statement from Justice Brewer, whilst discussing Church of the Holy Trinity v US (not an actual ruling, just that dude's opinion).
B) I'd like to point you to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" and Engel v. Vitale, where the Supreme Court upheld the idea after years of it slipping away.
C) Even if your chain email were true, IT DOESN'T MATTER. Obama is free to support any religion that he chooses, it is his personal choice and has nothing to do with us.
THANK YOU! :D

Rass

Is it far to the Muslims or other religions that have a large population in the USA that do not have the same amount of holidays and other benefits as the Christians.

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 01:56:28 PM
His reasoning that he told everyone for doing it privately was to "not offend anyone". So obviously he thinks Christianity is offensive.  Yet he did it with the Muslims.
Christians are (on the average) against gay marriage, abortion, etc and they are outspoken about it.  So it looks like he's trying to quiet them to stop the opposition.  That doesn't seem fair to me.
That's not what he's saying or what he's doing. He thinks Chrisyianity is on too much of a pedestal.

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 02:46:10 PM
Quote from: Rass on June 12, 2014, 02:15:55 PM
Is it far to the Muslims or other religions that have a large population in the USA that do not have the same amount of holidays and other benefits as the Christians.
Every "Christian" holiday is also a pagan holiday, so that argument is invalid.
It's mainly Christian though, and the Christians suffer no abuse at all, really in America.

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 02:49:33 PM
It's becoming a thing though.
No, it isn't, at all. Jeez, Taysbe, nobody cares about this at all except for you.

Rass

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 02:46:10 PM
Quote from: Rass on June 12, 2014, 02:15:55 PM
Is it far to the Muslims or other religions that have a large population in the USA that do not have the same amount of holidays and other benefits as the Christians.
Every "Christian" holiday is also a pagan holiday, so that argument is invalid.

It's only a pagan holiday if you let it be. I have family members who go to midnight mass at Christmas. But if that's your best response ok. So 4th of July is not a national holiday because people blow off fireworks and BBQ.

Rass

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 05:15:13 PM
Quote from: Rass on June 12, 2014, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 02:46:10 PM
Quote from: Rass on June 12, 2014, 02:15:55 PM
Is it far to the Muslims or other religions that have a large population in the USA that do not have the same amount of holidays and other benefits as the Christians.
Every "Christian" holiday is also a pagan holiday, so that argument is invalid.

It's only a pagan holiday if you let it be. I have family members who go to midnight mass at Christmas. But if that's your best response ok. So 4th of July is not a national holiday because people blow off fireworks and BBQ.

Do you know the definition of pagan holidays?  It's an actual set of beliefs.
And president someone said that it will be celebrated by fireworks, so yeah...


Umm ok. Yes Christmas is celebrated by no believers. Now if you are a true Christian you celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ. So maybe you should first start your attack on all the non christans who ruined you holiday.

Go to your church and tell them Christmas is a pagan holiday and I'm sure the priest/pasture/minister will explain the meaning of Christmas. He will also explain that this is how some people celebrate it but being a christan how you should be celebrating it.

Please tell me which president said that it should be celebrated with fireworks.

Sardok

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 07:50:50 PM
Who says we aren't a Christian nation.  Straight from the White House website.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this first day of May, in the year of our Lord two thousand thirteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-seventh.

Obvious link to Christianity.

"In the year of our lord" actually refers to "Anno Domini", which in modern times is shortened to A.D.

It is used to distinguish from B.C. Both are widely used around the world, regardless of religion.

The full saying is "Anno Domini Nostri Iesu Christi" (in the year of our lord Jesus Christ).

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 07:50:50 PM
Who says we aren't a Christian nation.  Straight from the White House website.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this first day of May, in the year of our Lord two thousand thirteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-seventh.

Obvious link to Christianity.
The first amendment and entire government says so, legally.

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 12, 2014, 08:18:13 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 07:50:50 PM
Who says we aren't a Christian nation.  Straight from the White House website.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this first day of May, in the year of our Lord two thousand thirteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-seventh.

Obvious link to Christianity.
The first amendment and entire government says so, legally.

You guys get mad at me for not doing my research then this?  The first amendment says the gov won't make a religion or prevent a religion from being practiced.  So that is untrue.
Won't establish a religion? That's a key part. I do my research, this could never be a Christian nation under our current rule.

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 09:09:38 PM
Won't establish a religion means the don't create their own religion, correct?
No. That amendment means that the US will never have an official religion.

Spencer Addington

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 09:23:57 PM
There's a difference between the government saying "this is the religion.  Accept it".  And the government saying, "hey, we are generally this, so for all intents and purposes we are this, but we want everyone to continue on with their own beliefs"
So the majority of our population is white. Does this mean we are a white nation?

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 09:27:46 PM
We are a white nation.  But we should respect that there are other races, and we aren't solely white.
Facepalm emoji says no