What are the most HATED cards?

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Gocougs509

#105
June 09, 2014, 11:54:40 PM
Quote from: Remillo on June 09, 2014, 11:49:09 PM
Well, in just one evening, my utter hatred for {Prophet of Kruphix} has expanded from what I previously thought could not be expanded more.  Card just isn't fair.  Seedborn Muse is powerful enough, but when you make a strictly better one for the same cost, it's just absurd.  Over the course of this evening, three different decks completely took over the game with this one five-drop, searching for it, specifically, with things like {Birthing Pod} and {Momir Vig, Simic Visionary}.  I've never had fun in a game where someone has resolved it.

I definitely think that {prophet of kruphix} is one of the most powerful cards in edh, but I don't think it deserves a ban. It dies to almost every removal card in the game. If you are consistently losing to prophet you should probably put a few more kill spells in your deck :p

Double-O-Scotch

#106
June 09, 2014, 11:55:22 PM
{seedborn muse} gets points as it can't normally fall victim to a {lightning bolt}. The same can not be said of {prophet of kruphix}.  Plus permanents over creatures and lands is pretty advantageous, too. I'd take the muse over the prophet any day. Preferrably my day.

Gocougs509

#107
June 09, 2014, 11:57:52 PM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on June 09, 2014, 11:55:22 PM
{seedborn muse} gets points as it can't normally fall victim to a {lightning bolt}. The same can not be said of {prophet of kruphix}.  Plus permanents over creatures and lands is pretty advantageous, too. I'd take the muse over the prophet any day. Preferrably my day.

{lightning bolt} in edh? Lolwut

DimirOverlord1300

#108
June 10, 2014, 12:00:19 AM
I just got a Russian muse today

Remillo

#109
June 10, 2014, 12:12:44 AM Last Edit: June 10, 2014, 12:15:35 AM by Remillo
The biggest problem is this:  Against the decks that run it, you need the removal before they untap.  For most creatures, this isn't a problem, because each player will have a turn to try and answer it.  With Prophet, though, that untap is immediate.  You need to have your removal ready to go the moment it comes down, or the chance is lost.  The colors that its in also happen to be the two that have the easiest time protecting it.  Green through Hexproof and regeneration and Blue with numerous counterspells, instant-speed Clones (thanks to Prophet) and {Dead-Eye Navigator} (which is ANOTHER problem card for another time).  With a competent pilot, once that thing is down, it's going to stay for a while.

Also, when I say Strictly better than Seedborn muse, I mean this:  In UG, you're ramping.  And you're relying on Lands and Creatures to fuel your Ramp.  You don't care that it's only untapping lands and creatures, because that's where all your mana is.  There, it's on-par with Seedborn Muse.  But then you add a BETTER version of {Yeva, Nature's Herald}'s ability on top of it.  It's just insane.  Even if being dual-colored is supposed to be a downside, I've never known a Green-based EDH deck to be short on colors.

The other big problem, that I sort of forgot to mention, is just time and keeping track of things.  When you're playing a Creature-based Deck, which UG with Prophet often is, it's basically a fully-leveled {Lighthouse Chronologist} without being able to draw a card each turn.  Your opponents' turns are your turn.  The number of times I hear the words, "During your end step, Flash in [blank]", is just too much.  We had one game this evening where two players ended up with Prophets, and one or two players actually lost track of whose turn it really was.

The card, in my opinion, is actually just too powerful in a Big-Mana Format where a simple five-drop can completely and totally take over a game with that set of abilities.  I'm also just tired and seeing ramp decks everywhere, but that's just me (and a few friends of mine).

Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on June 09, 2014, 11:55:22 PMI'd take the muse over the prophet any day. Preferrably my day.
No clue what day you're living in, bud.

PrEZchoICE1

#110
June 10, 2014, 12:15:27 AM
I just run both... If Im full of creatures I get kruphix if Im full of instant/sorcery/artifact I grab seedborn.

PrEZchoICE1

#111
June 10, 2014, 12:26:53 AM
Remilio's post needs a 'grinds my gears' pretext

Im sorry man Im one of those jerks that runs both with stuff like {Hokori, Dust Drinker}, {Winter Orb} and {Rising Waters}

Double-O-Scotch

#112
June 10, 2014, 01:09:33 AM
Don't call me bud, pal...

JordanCirk

#114
June 10, 2014, 09:52:19 AM
Wow, I never figured this post would get so much feed back! ☺️ Thank you guys! Do any of you find  {Memnarch} to be "unfun"? I really want to build an artifact EDH deck next, but I feel like I will instantly get hated out from memnarch, any other suggestions, or any tips on making my deck fair, fun, but still can win eventually?


Current EDH decks:
Mimeoplasm (Self-mill reanimator)
Karador, ghost chieftain ("value" creatures, reanimator)
Atheros, god of passage (CLERIC TRIBAL!)

InfinitiveDivinity

#115
June 10, 2014, 10:50:34 AM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on June 10, 2014, 01:09:33 AM
Don't call me bud, pal...
Don't call me pal, friend...

Double-O-Scotch

#116
June 10, 2014, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on June 10, 2014, 10:50:34 AM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on June 10, 2014, 01:09:33 AM
Don't call me bud, pal...
Don't call me pal, friend...
Don't call me friend, bro...
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