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Well, nothing official according to wizards. But in french edh tournaments they all use the same list. i didnt realize edric was on the banned commander list. seems a lot less powerful in 1v1 then the other banned commanders. i mean turn 1 sol ring turn 2 {braids, cabal minion} seem a lot stronger than edric in 1v1.

[PrEZchoICE1]

Well, nothing official according to wizards. But in french edh tournaments they all use the same list. i didnt realize edric was on the banned commander list. seems a lot less powerful in 1v1 then the other banned commanders. i mean turn 1 sol ring turn 2 {braids, cabal minion} seem a lot stronger than edric in 1v1.

Well thankfully I don't live in France. If anyone has a prob with me using Derevi I'll just use Roon as commander and slip Derevi back in the deck...

[PrEZchoICE1]

For clarity sake I believe it important to also point out that sol ring is also banned in french commander.

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Well, nothing official according to wizards. But in french edh tournaments they all use the same list. i didnt realize edric was on the banned commander list. seems a lot less powerful in 1v1 then the other banned commanders. i mean turn 1 sol ring turn 2 {braids, cabal minion} seem a lot stronger than edric in 1v1.

Well thankfully I don't live in France. If anyone has a prob with me using Derevi I'll just use Roon as commander and slip Derevi back in the deck...

french is more the format than the location. french normally means 1v1 and those tournaments happen in europe and america and prolly many other places. this is only the competitive edh 1v1. im sure your friends wont mind too much.

[PrEZchoICE1]

Well, nothing official according to wizards. But in french edh tournaments they all use the same list. i didnt realize edric was on the banned commander list. seems a lot less powerful in 1v1 then the other banned commanders. i mean turn 1 sol ring turn 2 {braids, cabal minion} seem a lot stronger than edric in 1v1.

Well thankfully I don't live in France. If anyone has a prob with me using Derevi I'll just use Roon as commander and slip Derevi back in the deck...

french is more the format than the location. french normally means 1v1 and those tournaments happen in europe and america and prolly many other places. this is only the competitive edh 1v1. im sure your friends wont mind too much.

Indeed I made the france comment sarcastically. Thing is I'm not playing with those rules and either is my playgroup. All the other discussion about it is just rhetoric really. The way ppl talk about Derevi like she ruins the format makes me chuckle though. My deck is enhanced by her there's no doubt but it wont lose significant power if I use Roon instead. Fear the deck, not the commander.

I can understand Zur being banned because its him specifically that makes the deck broken. His colors cant really do wat he does with a comparable efficiency if hes not there.

Bant on the other hand lives up to its namesake and has a number of degenerate combos and cards that are already gross without derevi. There are times when I like to play something fun like zedruu and other times where Im feeling like duck everyone and when I feel that way I like to use Derevi, Empyrial Degenerate.

[Remillo]

Well, nothing official according to wizards. But in french edh tournaments they all use the same list. i didnt realize edric was on the banned commander list. seems a lot less powerful in 1v1 then the other banned commanders. i mean turn 1 sol ring turn 2 {braids, cabal minion} seem a lot stronger than edric in 1v1.

It may be a discussion for another thread, but consider this: in 1v1, Edric is just {Coastal Piracy}, on a body, for three mana.  The ability is completely one-sided.  Now, add in that you have Green, so you can play an immense number of mana dorks and weenies to swing in to draw cards.  Add in Blue for counterspells.  It's no secret that it's hard to beat a blue deck that's drawing 3-5 cards every turn, and Edric does just that, and fast.

For clarity sake I believe it important to also point out that sol ring is also banned in french commander.

This is a ban I'm increasingly in favor of for Traditional, too.  Sol Ring and Mana Crypt are incredibly powerful cards that I find myself running in decks out of necessity to keep up with others.  You never want that in a format.

[DimirOverlord1300]

Well, nothing official according to wizards. But in french edh tournaments they all use the same list. i didnt realize edric was on the banned commander list. seems a lot less powerful in 1v1 then the other banned commanders. i mean turn 1 sol ring turn 2 {braids, cabal minion} seem a lot stronger than edric in 1v1.

It may be a discussion for another thread, but consider this: in 1v1, Edric is just {Coastal Piracy}, on a body, for three mana.  The ability is completely one-sided.  Now, add in that you have Green, so you can play an immense number of mana dorks and weenies to swing in to draw cards.  Add in Blue for counterspells.  It's no secret that it's hard to beat a blue deck that's drawing 3-5 cards every turn, and Edric does just that, and fast.

For clarity sake I believe it important to also point out that sol ring is also banned in french commander.

This is a ban I'm increasingly in favor of for Traditional, too.  Sol Ring and Mana Crypt are incredibly powerful cards that I find myself running in decks out of necessity to keep up with others.  You never want that in a format.

I've always looked at {Sol Ring} as a sorta (quoting the incredibles) "If everyone's super, no one is." If everyone can have sol ring it's not nearly as overpowered. {Mana Crypt} seems like a different deal just because of it's price tag, I would advocate for that banning more than the ring.

[Remillo]

I've always looked at {Sol Ring} as a sorta (quoting the incredibles) "If everyone's super, no one is." If everyone can have sol ring it's not nearly as overpowered. {Mana Crypt} seems like a different deal just because of it's price tag, I would advocate for that banning more than the ring.

While that's the reason Sol Ring is still legal in the format, and with the 'the other three people can manage to regulate it' philosophy, it still comes down to timing.  No question that the player who has it turn one is going to have an incredible, possibly game-winning advantage over the players that draws in to it turn five or beyond.  The card is basically as strong as casting {Time Stretch} on turn two (for two mana), but for only one mana.  It's crazy.

[PrEZchoICE1]

Well, nothing official according to wizards. But in french edh tournaments they all use the same list. i didnt realize edric was on the banned commander list. seems a lot less powerful in 1v1 then the other banned commanders. i mean turn 1 sol ring turn 2 {braids, cabal minion} seem a lot stronger than edric in 1v1.

It may be a discussion for another thread, but consider this: in 1v1, Edric is just {Coastal Piracy}, on a body, for three mana.  The ability is completely one-sided.  Now, add in that you have Green, so you can play an immense number of mana dorks and weenies to swing in to draw cards.  Add in Blue for counterspells.  It's no secret that it's hard to beat a blue deck that's drawing 3-5 cards every turn, and Edric does just that, and fast.

For clarity sake I believe it important to also point out that sol ring is also banned in french commander.

This is a ban I'm increasingly in favor of for Traditional, too.  Sol Ring and Mana Crypt are incredibly powerful cards that I find myself running in decks out of necessity to keep up with others.  You never want that in a format.

I've always looked at {Sol Ring} as a sorta (quoting the incredibles) "If everyone's super, no one is." If everyone can have sol ring it's not nearly as overpowered. {Mana Crypt} seems like a different deal just because of it's price tag, I would advocate for that banning more than the ring.

I agree with this and I draw that paralel for a specific reason imo Sol Ring is banned for much the same reason Derevi and Edric are banned; because ppl dont 'enjoy' playing against someone who has them in early game when they don't. Both Derevi and Edric can be dealt with in multiple ways some more effective than others. I tend to agree that everyone has the ability to own a Sol Ring as its been recently reprinted in all of the commander decks that have been released. Crypt on the other hand is rare to come by and an expensive card to acquire if one were to strangely stumble on one in someones traders.

I've read several articles/posts with ppl debating the legitimacy of the duelcommander banlist because there are certain includes on that list that are real head scratchers.

When they ban things like sol ring which should really be an obvious include in any commander deck, people begin to question the motives behind the people creating said lists.

I can go over the banlist on wizards and each ban makes good sense, a solid case can be built for each one. When I look at the duelcommander banlist there is more than a good handful of cards that I think why in the world would that be banned?

[Remillo]

I agree with this and I draw that paralel for a specific reason imo Sol Ring is banned for much the same reason Derevi and Edric are banned; because ppl dont 'enjoy' playing against someone who has them in early game when they don't. Both Derevi and Edric can be dealt with in multiple ways some more effective than others. I tend to agree that everyone has the ability to own a Sol Ring as its been recently reprinted in all of the commander decks that have been released. Crypt on the other hand is rare to come by and an expensive card to acquire if one were to strangely stumble on one in someones traders.

I've read several articles/posts with ppl debating the legitimacy of the duelcommander banlist because there are certain includes on that list that are real head scratchers.

When they ban things like sol ring which should really be an obvious include in any commander deck, people begin to question the motives behind the people creating said lists.

I can go over the banlist on wizards and each ban makes good sense, a solid case can be built for each one. When I look at the duelcommander banlist there is more than a good handful of cards that I think why in the world would that be banned?

See, I have the opposite reaction.  Sheldon Menery and his group (the Rules Committee, 'RC')came up with the format and still maintain the Ban List, which WotC holds as the 'official' ban list.  The problem I have with the RC is that they don't seem to take enough input from outside their own group.  Maybe it's just because there are cards that I feel should be banned or unbanned (or shouldn't have been banned in the first place), but the list just feels...  Scattered.  The biggest problem with having a Ban List like this for a Social/'Casual' format is that there's nothing like Tournament Info to see what's oppressive.  It's all word-of-mouth, and players are prone to vividly remember the 5% of the time they got totally trashed by something, rather than the 95% that it did nothing, so they complain about how that 5% is unfair.

The French List, however, is used for Tournaments over in Europe and on Cockatrice.  You could say that it's kind of the 'Highlander Legacy' that some people want EDH to be, and it's played as a very competitive format.  Because of the numerous tournaments held, there's tons of data that the French RC can use to determine how to ban things to make the format healthier.  Edric, Derevi and Zur were problems, so they banned them.  Fast-Mana provides so much of an advantage in 1v1 that it makes it very hard to play against a turn one Sol Ring, so those are banned, too.  It's built to balance duel play, not to have a game of 'Hey, who has their Sol Ring on turn one?'  To me, the French List makes much more sense, since they can base it off of real data, as opposed to the Traditional list that just seems to be 'People are complaining about this one a lot, let's consider banning it'.

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{Mystical Tutor} gets degenerate when you fetch a {Temporal Mastery} 😨

[Gocougs509]

{cyclonic rift} trashes people 95% of the time...

[PrEZchoICE1]

{cyclonic rift} trashes people 95% of the time...

I'd say 85-90% to account for the amount of counterspells I see both online and off.. Definitely a bomb though.

[Gocougs509]

{cyclonic rift} trashes people 95% of the time...

I'd say 85-90% to account for the amount of counterspells I see both online and off.. Definitely a bomb though.

Yeah that's probably more accurate, but eitet way I would not question a banning on that card!

[Silent1236]

{cyclonic rift} trashes people 95% of the time...

I'd say 85-90% to account for the amount of counterspells I see both online and off.. Definitely a bomb though.

Yeah that's probably more accurate, but eitet way I would not question a banning on that card!

Banning {Cyclonic Rift}?  That seems a little over-the-top.  Sure, rift is good, but most of the time, your opponent will be able to sort of come back from it.  It's not like you say "Overload {Cyclonic Rift}" and your opponent just scoops.  I don't think banning it would be all that necessary.