Undying

[Elitehalo360]

This mechanic confuses and infuriates me, okay so say I use black sun for three on a messenger, it dies. Now since it has 3 -1/-1 counters on it when it died and goes to come back wouldnt it still be dead because it was 3 counters? Like with regenerate? When it dies you pay it's regen cost and it comes back? Or do I have this a** backwards?

[Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker]

No. It died, all stuff is removed. It's now a 4/4. If a -1/-1 counter gets on it, but dosnt kill it, the +1/+1 will be removed an so will the -1/-1.

[Elitehalo360]

So you have to either kill it twice or exile it, how bout on the stack, it's in the gy and before it comes back you either crack a nihil spell bomb or something and remove the yard, will that work or can you not respond to that?

[jhirt57]

You can activate like surgical extraction in response to the undying trigger exiling it and all other copies

[BlackJester]

So you have to either kill it twice or exile it, how bout on the stack, it's in the gy and before it comes back you either crack a nihil spell bomb or something and remove the yard, will that work or can you not respond to that?

You can respond.

[Elitehalo360]

So you have to either kill it twice or exile it, how bout on the stack, it's in the gy and before it comes back you either crack a nihil spell bomb or something and remove the yard, will that work or can you not respond to that?

You can respond.

Finally good news :p

[BadLuckIrish]

you could just use a {Grafdigger's Cage} and thatll stop undying

[Elitehalo360]

you could just use a {Grafdigger's Cage} and thatll stop undying

But that would kill my flashback stuff

[BadLuckIrish]

you could just use a {Grafdigger's Cage} and thatll stop undying

But that would kill my flashback stuff

well if you werent running FB

[BlackJester]

{Relic of the Progenitus}.

[Elitehalo360]

{Relic of the Progenitus}.

ah if only if it was reprinted in standard cause that's the only place I have trouble with UD