SHAMAN GOT BANNED!

Started by Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth, February 03, 2014, 12:01:27 AM

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Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Silent1236 on February 04, 2014, 11:11:33 PM
Quote from: Mishra, Artificer Extraordinaire on February 04, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on February 04, 2014, 10:55:58 PM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on February 04, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
If a card is used in every deck that top 8s tournaments, it usually gets attention of the dci ban crew
Yes, while it didn't place 1st, it was 4ofs in all the BGx decks and that variations (eg junk Jund) were consistently top 8ing. My only issue with the ban is there isn't really a card that can fill that role that Shaman provided. At least when they banned {Bloofbraid Elf} there were other four drops like  {Thrun, the Last Troll} {Huntmaster of the Fells}
{Noble Hiearch} price disagrees with you.

Hierarch is just an exalted {Llanowar Elves} in Jund...  Not really all that great in that spot, IMO.
^^Agree. If you truly think that {Noble Hierarch} is a replacement for {Deathrite Shaman}, you are kidding yourself.

imthelolrus

Quote from: ConanEdo on February 05, 2014, 12:00:29 AM
Noble Hierarch can work in Pod, and Pod gets better with less GY hate. I'm just wondering if this brings a wave of Vengevine and Gifts decks
😱 Hope not, We still have ooze!

ihasfrozen

Quote from: CbStrad on February 04, 2014, 06:40:21 PM
More like, it breaks decks.

It's why {Mental Misstep} and {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} are banned

This is a ridiculous claim, as Deathrite is not as warping as Misstep or as powerful as Jace. It didn't break anything, it just did a ton as a one drop.

Mattao19

Quote from: ConanEdo on February 05, 2014, 12:12:32 AM
Quote from: imthelolrus on February 05, 2014, 12:02:48 AM
Quote from: ConanEdo on February 05, 2014, 12:00:29 AM
Noble Hierarch can work in Pod, and Pod gets better with less GY hate. I'm just wondering if this brings a wave of Vengevine and Gifts decks
😱 Hope not, We still have ooze!
Yeah, I'm trying to pack two into my MB, it's a bitch trying to figure out what to cut.

That's always my problem!!

Btw congrats on 100 :D

Spencer Addington

Quote from: ConanEdo on February 05, 2014, 12:12:32 AM
Quote from: imthelolrus on February 05, 2014, 12:02:48 AM
Quote from: ConanEdo on February 05, 2014, 12:00:29 AM
Noble Hierarch can work in Pod, and Pod gets better with less GY hate. I'm just wondering if this brings a wave of Vengevine and Gifts decks
😱 Hope not, We still have ooze!
Yeah, I'm trying to pack two into my MB, it's a bitch trying to figure out what to cut.
Did you decide to not trade away your pod?

Dmreiss

Quote from: ihasfrozen on February 05, 2014, 12:23:47 AM
Quote from: CbStrad on February 04, 2014, 06:40:21 PM
More like, it breaks decks.

It's why {Mental Misstep} and {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} are banned

This is a ridiculous claim, as Deathrite is not as warping as Misstep or as powerful as Jace. It didn't break anything, it just did a ton as a one drop.

I have to agree with this. Shamen is a creature, and there is enough counters, direct damage, and other instants and sorcerers to deal with it.

Mental Misstep is a first turn counter spell when the caster is on the draw.

Jace is just insane, and there is only now getting to be counters and such to specifically deal with planes walkers.

abstractApathist

Quote from: Dmreiss on February 05, 2014, 01:08:14 AM
Quote from: ihasfrozen on February 05, 2014, 12:23:47 AM
Quote from: CbStrad on February 04, 2014, 06:40:21 PM
More like, it breaks decks.

It's why {Mental Misstep} and {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} are banned

This is a ridiculous claim, as Deathrite is not as warping as Misstep or as powerful as Jace. It didn't break anything, it just did a ton as a one drop.

I have to agree with this. Shamen is a creature, and there is enough counters, direct damage, and other instants and sorcerers to deal with it.

Mental Misstep is a first turn counter spell when the caster is on the draw.

Jace is just insane, and there is only now getting to be counters and such to specifically deal with planes walkers.
Jace and {Mental Misstep} broke the fornat, but {Deathrite Shaman} broke jund. Every other top tier deck is there because it has a good jund matchup, which was a pretty good sign that something was broken.

ihasfrozen

Quote from: abstractApathist on February 05, 2014, 07:34:45 AM
Quote from: Dmreiss on February 05, 2014, 01:08:14 AM
Quote from: ihasfrozen on February 05, 2014, 12:23:47 AM
Quote from: CbStrad on February 04, 2014, 06:40:21 PM
More like, it breaks decks.

It's why {Mental Misstep} and {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} are banned

This is a ridiculous claim, as Deathrite is not as warping as Misstep or as powerful as Jace. It didn't break anything, it just did a ton as a one drop.

I have to agree with this. Shamen is a creature, and there is enough counters, direct damage, and other instants and sorcerers to deal with it.

Mental Misstep is a first turn counter spell when the caster is on the draw.

Jace is just insane, and there is only now getting to be counters and such to specifically deal with planes walkers.
Jace and {Mental Misstep} broke the fornat, but {Deathrite Shaman} broke jund. Every other top tier deck is there because it has a good jund matchup, which was a pretty good sign that something was broken.

Really? Jund was not posting nearly the results as it had before the ban of {Bloodbraid Elf}.

abstractApathist

Quote from: ihasfrozen on February 05, 2014, 08:57:26 AM
Quote from: abstractApathist on February 05, 2014, 07:34:45 AM
Quote from: Dmreiss on February 05, 2014, 01:08:14 AM
Quote from: ihasfrozen on February 05, 2014, 12:23:47 AM
Quote from: CbStrad on February 04, 2014, 06:40:21 PM
More like, it breaks decks.

It's why {Mental Misstep} and {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} are banned

This is a ridiculous claim, as Deathrite is not as warping as Misstep or as powerful as Jace. It didn't break anything, it just did a ton as a one drop.

I have to agree with this. Shamen is a creature, and there is enough counters, direct damage, and other instants and sorcerers to deal with it.

Mental Misstep is a first turn counter spell when the caster is on the draw.

Jace is just insane, and there is only now getting to be counters and such to specifically deal with planes walkers.
Jace and {Mental Misstep} broke the fornat, but {Deathrite Shaman} broke jund. Every other top tier deck is there because it has a good jund matchup, which was a pretty good sign that something was broken.

Really? Jund was not posting nearly the results as it had before the ban of {Bloodbraid Elf}.
It wasn't as broken as before, but it still made up most of the meta. Jund and its counterparts, Junk and The Rock have made up almost 30% of all top 8's in the past 2 months of live tournaments, which is more than double the second best deck, UW/x midrange, and triple the third, Splinter Twin.

Coffee Vampire

Quote from: Dmreiss on February 05, 2014, 01:08:14 AM
Quote from: ihasfrozen on February 05, 2014, 12:23:47 AM
Quote from: CbStrad on February 04, 2014, 06:40:21 PM
More like, it breaks decks.

It's why {Mental Misstep} and {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} are banned

This is a ridiculous claim, as Deathrite is not as warping as Misstep or as powerful as Jace. It didn't break anything, it just did a ton as a one drop.

I have to agree with this. Shamen is a creature, and there is enough counters, direct damage, and other instants and sorcerers to deal with it.

Mental Misstep is a first turn counter spell when the caster is on the draw.

Jace is just insane, and there is only now getting to be counters and such to specifically deal with planes walkers.
Cards are not banned based on how easy they are to remove. They are banned on how mandatory it is to remove them. Not only was deathrite shaman a mana fixer, but it made it so that you had to remove it, or else it would continue to easily create value for its controller, while pinging you and depleting your recources at the same time.
Also, since every G/B/x deck ran 4 {Deathrite Shaman}, {Snapcaster Mage} and other graveyard related creatures like {Knight of the Reliquary} (and to a lesser extent, {Kitchen Finks}) became unreliable, often having to be boarded out game 2.

Deathrite did far too much damage and its banning will cause format diversity, deck-building innovation, and will allow cards that it inadvertedly hated out to see more play.