Netdecking

[Mlerner12]

He means this; looking at specific websites that list deck lists for pro decks of every type and then people copy those by building one.

Talking about decks that you make online is called brainstorming. There's a big difference.

There is a fine line between homebrews and net decks and the main difference is that alot of homebrews are made by people who are not good deck builders, no offense. But if you are a good deck builder you can build a deck that is almost as good as a net deck. When it comes to tier 1 and competative games it is usually 50% stradegy 30% luck and 20% deck but in casual it is 10% stradegy 40% luck and 50% deck. I think that net deck are just something you deal with not rant about

This is illogical. To make a homebrew you areprobably a very GOOD deck builder as it is much harderto make a dec from scratch and with limited resources than it is to go online, read a decklist, buy some cards, and play.

What about new players who build a deck out of random cards they pull up out of nowhere and people who think they can build a good deck when they cant. If you make a homebrew that cant win then maybe you arent such a good deck builder after all.

So reading a deck thats pemade online tha you put literally no thought into makes you a good deck builder? At least if you build yourown not good deck it shows you can put thought into things like that.

[Vampyvyrus]

I create competitive homebrews all the time. Creating a homebrew is a million times harder then net decking and will increase your ability to build decks. That said I don't look down in netdeckers but I don't condone it. I personally feel that it takes away from the game, yet each person takes something different from the game. So it all comes down to oppinion and what you play for...to win or for fun. Both can be fun and win but net decking is more geared toward players that are just in it for winning.

[Dhoulmagus]

Agreed, it's somewhat lame to just copy cards from a list and not have to think about anything. I have never looked online at a deck list to build a deck. If you are a good deck builder, your deck might look like it came from a list because of obvious good card combos.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I create competitive homebrews all the time. Creating a homebrew is a million times harder then net decking and will increase your ability to build decks. That said I don't look down in netdeckers but I don't condone it. I personally feel that it takes away from the game, yet each person takes something different from the game. So it all comes down to oppinion and what you play for...to win or for fun. Both can be fun and win but net decking is more geared toward players that are just in it for winning.

^^^So true. Also, if you are playing just to win, I'm sure there are are other things you could do to get you the same sense of winning.

[Vampyvyrus]

Also, in my experience, people running net decks tend to get a little more angry and rude when their expensive deck gets beat by a janky homebrew. This, I feel also takes away from the game. As it is just a game it should be fun, not something to get extremely mad over.

[Kaleo42]

Wow...i am very dissapointed in those who just called me and so many others a bad deck builder. Allow me to point out a few very important facks.

First off I personaly have top 8'd spring states and fall states this last year both with homebrews and the competition was indeed rough with net deks and homebrews running around. I also won m14 game day with a homebrew at the shop where the most people show up. Final personal point is that at a shop that always has 5 rounds at fnm because 30-50 people show up I have not been in the top 8 a wopping 10 times in the last year (including the 4 times i did not play).

Now for me team. Half of them a good deck builders how generally use home brews and all of them get 4-1's most most often. The other 4 of us will try out met decks to learn about then or more commonly play somethig we worked together to build.

Now for everyone else. How does a net deck become a net deck. SOME GOOD DECK BUILDER MAKES A HOMEBREW AND WINS. Without good deck builders homebrewing there would be no deck to look up and copy because you know it's good. Channel fireball is just like my team theyre just way more experienced. They build decks from scratch, if their testing shows that their homebrews are not up to par then they bite the bullet and modify a net deck which incidently means it's a time of fairly stagnant competiive play.

The best deckbuilders are those that homebrew and win. The adverage homebrewer lacks one of or all of these three things. Technical skill to play the deck appropriately or understand on a deeper level what goes into construction and playing. Experience that grants a overview of what is good without having to do extensive research (i dont mean obvious things like {thundermaw hellkite} I mean things like {mana bloom} is bad, but when your 3 color deck doesnt have {farseek} and you have {blind obedience} anyways mana bloom becomes good). The final and most common quality limiting the effectiveness of deckbuilders is card pool. When you actually have access to everything the speed at which you can learn and test is drastically increased on tip of your ability to build anything.

There's my morning rant. Never call a homebrewer a bad deck builder or bad player. Homebrewing is how you become good, net decking keeps your play level pretty low because you arent asking the important questions that will lead you to the answers that make you a better player.

[Ertai]

I don't anyone was doing that.... I think they were saying Netdeckers were bad deck builders... in most cases.

[Kaleo42]

I don't anyone was doing that.... I think they were saying Netdeckers were bad deck builders... in most cases.

I did miss read it in my waking up stooper. I still hit decent points towards the end though so oh well life moves on. I saw a bunch of the homebrewers are generally bad statements and took them without the complete context.

[Butch1977]

Also, in my experience, people running net decks tend to get a little more angry and rude when their expensive deck gets beat by a janky homebrew. This, I feel also takes away from the game. As it is just a game it should be fun, not something to get extremely mad over.

I agree with this. When they get beat after laying down a few hundred bucks because they either don't understand the synergy of the deck or they aren't used to those particular mechanics they get infuriated.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I don't anyone was doing that.... I think they were saying Netdeckers were bad deck builders... in most cases.

No, it was said outright that homebrews are bad deck builders:

There is a fine line between homebrews and net decks and the main difference is that alot of homebrews are made by people who are not good deck builders

[Vampyvyrus]

Wow...i am very dissapointed in those who just called me and so many others a bad deck builder. Allow me to point out a few very important facks.

First off I personaly have top 8'd spring states and fall states this last year both with homebrews and the competition was indeed rough with net deks and homebrews running around. I also won m14 game day with a homebrew at the shop where the most people show up. Final personal point is that at a shop that always has 5 rounds at fnm because 30-50 people show up I have not been in the top 8 a wopping 10 times in the last year (including the 4 times i did not play).

Now for me team. Half of them a good deck builders how generally use home brews and all of them get 4-1's most most often. The other 4 of us will try out met decks to learn about then or more commonly play somethig we worked together to build.

Now for everyone else. How does a net deck become a net deck. SOME GOOD DECK BUILDER MAKES A HOMEBREW AND WINS. Without good deck builders homebrewing there would be no deck to look up and copy because you know it's good. Channel fireball is just like my team theyre just way more experienced. They build decks from scratch, if their testing shows that their homebrews are not up to par then they bite the bullet and modify a net deck which incidently means it's a time of fairly stagnant competiive play.

The best deckbuilders are those that homebrew and win. The adverage homebrewer lacks one of or all of these three things. Technical skill to play the deck appropriately or understand on a deeper level what goes into construction and playing. Experience that grants a overview of what is good without having to do extensive research (i dont mean obvious things like {thundermaw hellkite} I mean things like {mana bloom} is bad, but when your 3 color deck doesnt have {farseek} and you have {blind obedience} anyways mana bloom becomes good). The final and most common quality limiting the effectiveness of deckbuilders is card pool. When you actually have access to everything the speed at which you can learn and test is drastically increased on tip of your ability to build anything.

There's my morning rant. Never call a homebrewer a bad deck builder or bad player. Homebrewing is how you become good, net decking keeps your play level pretty low because you arent asking the important questions that will lead you to the answers that make you a better player.

This. Nail on the head kaleo. This is almost exactly what I was trying to say.

[Kaleo42]

This. Nail on the head kaleo. This is almost exactly what I was trying to say.

Disregard the typoes though. I just woke up.

[Mothaelon]

I don't anyone was doing that.... I think they were saying Netdeckers were bad deck builders... in most cases.

No, it was said outright that homebrews are bad deck builders:

There is a fine line between homebrews and net decks and the main difference is that alot of homebrews are made by people who are not good deck builders

Don't misconstrue. He said most, not all. And that's true In a lot of cases cause a lot of home brews are made by casual players who don't understand the game well. Not all of them, but a lot.

[Mothaelon]

And, people who say netdeckers just look up a deck and play without thinking, that's an ignorant point of view. If you don't understand a deck, you will never win, no matter what it is. If someone built an esper, since it was a hot topic in this thread, but had never played esper before or played much at all, and I build some junk home brew, I could best them simply because I understand the game and cards better. But at the same time, you can't get mad at people because they understand the game and can pilot a lot of decks. That's actually pretty difficult to accomplish.

[Ertai]

To my point from before.  What happened to all the people who would create a random home brew ALL THE TIME, not because it's winning a SCG somewhere else, but because it's a good combo, and fun to play...

I guess the old days of MTG is gone, and it's all mainstream now!