Turning a mana

Started by Gabriel Gusso, October 28, 2013, 09:05:52 AM

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Gabriel Gusso

My opponent is going to cast a creature with cost 4B and he owns 4B lands. When he declares what he is going to cast, may i turn one of his manas with an instant in order to prevent him from casting it?

Mlerner12

If he has already tapped the land and said "Casting blah blah blah," I believe you cannot. However, when he starts tapping the mana, you can, as long as the mana has not already been tapped. That is, of course, up for disproval, if that is wrong.

Keyeto

As long as you're doing so before they tap their land for mana, yes.

And I'm hoping you mean the cost is {B}{B}{B}{B}, and not {4}{B}, correct?

Double-O-Scotch

605.3b. An activated mana ability doesn't go on the stack, so it can't be targeted, countered, or otherwise responded to. Rather, it resolves immediately after it is activated.

Gabriel Gusso

Yup, {B}{B}{B}{B}. So I cannot anull a magic by turning his controllers mana right?

Anoobass

Couldn't he tap in response to you targeting it anyway, so it's useless?

Double-O-Scotch

If you did so on your opponents upkeep, or in response to your opponent doing something (basically whenever you, as the non active player, next receive priority) yes. You could change a land. However, if your opponent simply adds {B}{B}{B}{B} and casts a creature spell with that mana, changing a land type or {twiddle}ing a land is useless as it's already too late.

Double-O-Scotch

"Mana abilities can't be targeted"

Mlerner12

Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on October 28, 2013, 10:00:03 AM
"Mana abilities can't be targeted"
No the can't, but if the land is untapped they can tap the land so it can't be tapped. That targets the land.

Double-O-Scotch

Yes, but the land being targeted can be tapped for mana in response.

Double-O-Scotch

And you can't respond to tapping a land for mana.

Double-O-Scotch

You can also draw a card on your draw phase. What's your point? Lol

Pleeb

If you want to tap an opponent's land to prevent them from casting spells, you have to do it before a change of phases where the mana pool empties. For main phase this means taping their land at the end of the draw phase. For the combat phase this means taping it during the first main phase etc.  the only other option I can think of is to wait until priority is passed to you, tap his lands and then cast a {power sink} or some other spell that forces him to use the mana (won't work if he's casting instants).