Proxies

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

How do you and your play group feel about proxies? Do you feel different about lazy proxies (a slip of paper with the name on it or another card with a sharpie written on it) as opposed to good proxies (an actual pic of the card glued to another card to try to make it look like a real card)?

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

What if you don't have the card because, at least in my play group, that's 90% of the time the case.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I was wondering because I have had people do it before and I am thinking of doing it myself. I have a Boros Aggro that I really want {Vexing Devils} for but I don't want to spend $30 on cards that will only be good for a month.

[Anoobass]

I feel the same as taysby to a "T", if its an expensive card or such and you have it in a binder, by all means throw a land in there to proxy.  (Always let me know beforehand, "oh hey, that plains is actually a foil Olivia"). If you have ordered them and they are arriving in the mail I'm also fine with it, but if 2 weeks later u are still using your "mail" proxies, I have a problem.  As for no card whatsoever, I won't play you, there's a reason those cards are $10+ a piece, most of the time they are worth it.  I'm not going to play a person with 4 proxied JtMS, go down to your lgs and get 4 ftv.  Don't have that scratch?  Don't use him.  I feel magic shouldn't be about, "oh if I had these cards my deck would be 100x times better so I'm just going to throw them in."  Just like taysby said, part of the game is making due with what ya got.
Just my take, sorry for long rant-like speech.
TL;DR - yes if you have/will soon have them
-no if you do not intend to have them soon.

Edit-spelled your name wrong taysby, sowwy!

[Mattao19]

I feel the same as taysby to a "T", if its an expensive card or such and you have it in a binder, by all means throw a land in there to proxy.  (Always let me know beforehand, "oh hey, that plains is actually a foil Olivia"). If you have ordered them and they are arriving in the mail I'm also fine with it, but if 2 weeks later u are still using your "mail" proxies, I have a problem.  As for no card whatsoever, I won't play you, there's a reason those cards are $10+ a piece, most of the time they are worth it.  I'm not going to play a person with 4 proxied JtMS, go down to your lgs and get 4 ftv.  Don't have that scratch?  Don't use him.  I feel magic shouldn't be about, "oh if I had these cards my deck would be 100x times better so I'm just going to throw them in."  Just like taysby said, part of the game is making due with what ya got.
Just my take, sorry for long rant-like speech.
TL;DR - yes if you have/will soon have them
-no if you do not intend to have them soon.

Edit-spelled your name wrong taysby, sowwy!

COMPLETELY AGREE!!

But if you're testing a new deck with buds like say you're trying out a standard deck and want to know if a certain card fits then proxy and if it fits go out and buy it if it sucks then find a new card.

So, if it's casual games, that are my deck vs. yours you better have the real cards. If you're testing a deck vs. me I don't mind proxies

[Anoobass]

^yes I could also see that as an acception to my previous post, but again, if u still don't have the card 2 weeks later I won't even let u do that anymore.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Yeah I kind of felt odd using proxies so I started bidding on some last night and I have a couple trades that I am trying to work out.

[Kaleo42]

Your play group is free to play how they choose. For competitive players a slip of paper is great to test out an idea before messing up your trade binder or shelling out the money to get the cards you dont even know for sure are relevant. I dont think this method has any other purpose.

I play commander which in my experience warrants a great deal of proxies in a lot of play groups. Personally I don't like play the "perfect" version of a commander deck and filling in what you dont have with poxies. I take pride in which cards and which printings of those cards I have chosen and acquired. I also really enjoy trying to evolve my edh to a goal instead of just having it minus a few key cards. That being said I have a great deal of respect for the open minded creativity that is formed in casual groups building what they feel is fun with no heed to cost. I also have a great deal of respect for those who take great care in their proxies and choose amazing custom alternate arts you wish were real or even make truly illegal proxies by printing over real magic cards. (I dont think wizards can legally do anything until you try to sell or trade such proxies, they also would not benefit from such a petty dispute.)

[Coffee Vampire]

I have a proxied EDH deck that is around three-thousand dollars, unproxied. I constantly try to get cards for it, and have decided that EDH will be my main format in the future. I don't play decks I want to play at FNM anymore and I stopped building my modern deck. If pride is the issue that some people have with proxies (people who have expensive cards deserve them. That's why they are expensive.), then I do not think that applies to me, since I sacrificed all other formats to build this deck. I'm actively building it, and I think proxies are fine for now.

[Moocow4u2]

Personally I find it a little cheap

[Avnger345]

I use proxies in my decks for cards worth over $10 or most of my planeswalkers...   But I have the cards with me in a protective hard sleeve so that after I cast the card,  I replace proxy with real card in hard sleeve on table.

[Millionlittlee]

I use proxies in my decks for cards worth over $10 or most of my planeswalkers...   But I have the cards with me in a protective hard sleeve so that after I cast the card,  I replace proxy with real card in hard sleeve on table.

Over protective i see. I feel bad for the boy who will date your daughter. Lol

[Anoobass]

I use proxies in my decks for cards worth over $10 or most of my planeswalkers...   But I have the cards with me in a protective hard sleeve so that after I cast the card,  I replace proxy with real card in hard sleeve on table.

Over protective i see. I feel bad for the boy who will date your daughter. Lol

Prom night, out back target shooting when he drives up.  You know, just to make sure he knows what he's in for.

[imthelolrus]

I use proxies to playtest modern decks I'm in the process of making. My main use of proxies is as a placeholder, and I feel this is the most acceptable way to use a proxy. I have proxy  {Scalding Tarn} and a few other high value cards like  {Vendilion Clique} that I can switch between two moderm decks because they're in the same sleeves depending on which I want to bring to a tournament.

I think they're fine if you own the card or are actively looking for/acquiring them. An LGS here has proxy legacy and modern tournaments and I think it's pretty offensive to the people who actually invested into the format. /shrug

[Coffee Vampire]

Now, a proxy tournament...that is truly disgraceful in my eyes. There are just so many things wrong with that idea. When there is a prize on the table, and proxies are allowed, it's just about going online and proxying up what will win, especially in legacy. I know a guy who liquidated his entire standard collection to foil out his affinity deck, and I think it would actually be disrespectful to him if my LGS allowed proxies in their modern tourneys we have once a month.