Net Decks. A discussion.

Started by Moneekahh, August 08, 2013, 01:02:44 PM

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Hunteroffire9

Quote from: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on August 08, 2013, 10:09:17 PM
Buying a net deck is the exact equivalent to buying an event deck. Only net decks actually win. There's nothing wrong with playing what works. It's really that simple.
but this takes all the joy out of the discovery aspect of the game
I understand this, but some people play for different reasons and I respect that. As long as you enjoy the game it does not matter.

Coffee Vampire

Quote from: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on August 08, 2013, 10:09:17 PM
Buying a net deck is the exact equivalent to buying an event deck. Only net decks actually win. There's nothing wrong with playing what works. It's really that simple.
but this takes all the joy out of the discovery aspect of the game
It does for you, but not everyone is you. A blunt statement maybe, but I think everyone needs to be reminded of that fact every now and then, me included.

Hunteroffire9

Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on August 08, 2013, 10:15:07 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on August 08, 2013, 10:09:17 PM
Buying a net deck is the exact equivalent to buying an event deck. Only net decks actually win. There's nothing wrong with playing what works. It's really that simple.
but this takes all the joy out of the discovery aspect of the game
I understand this, but some people play for different reasons and I respect that. As long as you enjoy the game it does not matter.
Isn't that way magic is so popular, people like it and play it for different reasons.

Hunteroffire9

Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on August 08, 2013, 10:16:24 PM
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on August 08, 2013, 10:15:07 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on August 08, 2013, 10:09:17 PM
Buying a net deck is the exact equivalent to buying an event deck. Only net decks actually win. There's nothing wrong with playing what works. It's really that simple.
but this takes all the joy out of the discovery aspect of the game
I understand this, but some people play for different reasons and I respect that. As long as you enjoy the game it does not matter.
Isn't that way magic is so popular, people like it and play it for different reasons.
Some people ride bikes to exercise, some people ride then for fun, some people have to for transportation, and some people do it for winning tournaments.

This is what magic is like.

Mothaelon

Quote from: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on August 08, 2013, 10:09:17 PM
Buying a net deck is the exact equivalent to buying an event deck. Only net decks actually win. There's nothing wrong with playing what works. It's really that simple.
but this takes all the joy out of the discovery aspect of the game

No, not really.

You don't have to make decks to discover cards.
There are card databases. Enjoy.

Hunteroffire9

Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on August 08, 2013, 10:17:36 PM
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on August 08, 2013, 10:16:24 PM
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on August 08, 2013, 10:15:07 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 08, 2013, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on August 08, 2013, 10:09:17 PM
Buying a net deck is the exact equivalent to buying an event deck. Only net decks actually win. There's nothing wrong with playing what works. It's really that simple.
but this takes all the joy out of the discovery aspect of the game
I understand this, but some people play for different reasons and I respect that. As long as you enjoy the game it does not matter.
Isn't that way magic is so popular, people like it and play it for different reasons.
Some people ride bikes to exercise, some people ride then for fun, some people have to for transportation, and some people do it for winning tournaments.

This is what magic is like.
It's that simple just do what you like to do and magic and let them do what they like and enjoy the game for different reasons.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

If you net-deck, you didn't win. You were able to replicate what another, better player was able to do. Congrats, you know how to mimic people.

Mikefrompluto

Quote from: Moneekahh on August 08, 2013, 10:04:47 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 08, 2013, 09:59:12 PM
In my opinion, if you are only playing to win, there is no point in playing. It's a game, play to have fun.

But... Winning IS fun. And for some of us, winning supports our habit.

Bam! Exactly! There exists people who play competitively as their career choice. More or less, that's all the pro tour folks. There's also people constantly trying to break into that circuit, and for them, net decking is the fastest, easiest way to do so. If youre trying to go pro, why would you go through the trouble of play testing a new deck that hasn't been done when you could instead play a proven deck and start putting in work at PTQs, opens, etc. in that same amount of time?

Vampyvyrus

Fun in magic comes from different standpoints for each person. I'm a deck builder and that's alot of fun for me. I like going to my buddies and making a deck out of his left over cards and then running the table with it. 5 of his decks are ones I made. Other people would much rather just play, which I can understand. Most of the thrill for me is when my opponent notices my off the wall combos and synergies. I love when people learn new combos off of decks I make, this is why I don't net deck.

Hunteroffire9

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 08, 2013, 10:20:50 PM
If you net-deck, you didn't win. You were able to replicate what another, better player was able to do. Congrats, you know how to mimic people.
Some people like doing that and some people like making there own, i think people should respect each others opinions and just do what they like...after all it's just a game!

Mothaelon

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 08, 2013, 10:20:50 PM
If you net-deck, you didn't win. You were able to replicate what another, better player was able to do. Congrats, you know how to mimic people.


Just because you net decked doesn't mean you know how to play the deck. Player skill comes into play a lot more than you think.

Moneekahh

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 08, 2013, 10:20:50 PM
If you net-deck, you didn't win. You were able to replicate what another, better player was able to do. Congrats, you know how to mimic people.

You still have to pilot a deck, sideboard, etc. It does require skill, and it is still considered a win. The fact that someone, somewhere else is playing the same deck is irrelevant.

Mikefrompluto

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 08, 2013, 10:20:50 PM
If you net-deck, you didn't win. You were able to replicate what another, better player was able to do. Congrats, you know how to mimic people.

But...some people...only care...about...winning.

It's not a hard concept to grasp.

Coffee Vampire

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 08, 2013, 10:20:50 PM
If you net-deck, you didn't win. You were able to replicate what another, better player was able to do. Congrats, you know how to mimic people.
So how many cards do I have to change in a net deck to call it my own, and "win", by your definition? One? Five? Twenty? If I run a red deck wins deck and win, did I really not win because someone else did it before? According to you, once the best deck has been discovered and wins a tourney, it is impossible for anyone to win with it again. All decks are a one-shot, one trick pony.

I've got news for you, just because someone else did something for you, doesn't take away the fact that you reached your goal.

Hunteroffire9

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on August 08, 2013, 10:29:23 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 08, 2013, 10:20:50 PM
If you net-deck, you didn't win. You were able to replicate what another, better player was able to do. Congrats, you know how to mimic people.
So how many cards do I have to change in a net deck to call it my own, and "win", by your definition? One? Five? Twenty? If I run a red deck wins deck and win, did I really not win because someone else did it before? According to you, once the best deck has been discovered and wins a tourney, it is impossible for anyone to win with it again. All decks are a one-shot, one trick pony.

I've got news for you, just because someone else did something for you, doesn't take away the fact that you reached your goal.
Wow your just nailing it today.