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[Boringanarchy2]

Part time low paying jobs can hold a family together.  Do you need to eat better than beans and rice to survive?  No.  (I don't mean to be mean to you because of your situation). Is your father turning down all part time/sporadic pay jobs because it isn't consistent.  Tell me if I'm wrong and I will apologize, but if he's sitting on his butt not working because he doesn't have something consistent, he is taking advantage of the system.

I don't mean to be mean to you, don't think I am.

There are better options than government for welfare.  (See above post about church)

And when job searching, did your dad ask people if they would hire him for something he was good at even if they weren't advertising it (honest question)

You're not mean, merely a victim of cognitive dissonance. When other people depend on your paycheck, you'll understand why sporadic doesn't work, why minimum wage doesn't work, and why trying to simply beg at the church isn't good enough. Then comes the painful decisions and quick fixes that lead to debt because you can't pay for the long term. Then comes the slide as you can't find work and can't afford to fix so you try to scrape by. Meanwhile, you take government support and are labeled "lazy" for "stealing" because, I don't know, you didn't look hard enough for pots of gold at the end of rainbows and your kids are wasting their time with "education" when they could be using their time constructively to beg.

[Piotr]

But that's assuming that people aren't greedy assholes....also I have never heard of a charity that builds roads or regulates the economy.

Socialists ignore the fact that people are greedy, because only a small number of greedy people is able to corrupt socialism. It is extremely easy to steal money in socialism, all you need to do is pretend you cannot work. Opportunity makes a thief, as we say in Poland. Your friend who's about to get banned for repeated lying is quoting some false numbers, why don't you go and google some real numbers for us: how many people are on government benefits because 'their back hurts' or are 'depressed'?

Free market assumes that people are greedy and it turns their greed into the benefit of others. If I were not a greedy bastard, would you have this forum to spread your lies on, would you have your app to fiddle with? No, it was me the greedy bastard entrepreneur who created it for you, because I'm greedy. Not at all because I care for you or your needs, I don't give a flying .love.. Yet, in free market, you get nice things because I'm greedy. And what's best, I cannot force you to buy my product, you can walk away with your money and buy from some other greedy bastard.

In socialism you don't have that choice, you are stuck with government monopoly. In socialism people lose things when other people are greedy.

If I ever again hear from you or anyone else the lie that if we got rid of welfare millions would die, you are out of here. We are not in victorian England 200 years ago, we are past green revolution and we live in a world of plenty. I can get better food from garbage cans back at my local Tesco, than a working man could buy 200 years ago, due to progress of technology. These days charities in western countries work to provide people with education, computers and stuff which is way beyond basic needs of people, as the basic needs of people are so cheaply covered it takes the enormous effort of government propaganda to convince naive people that we actually need government to satisfy the basics. We don't.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

When you are working sporadically, people see that you are working hard and might give you a full time job, or make that job more steady for you.

Piece of advice, never quit your job until you have another lined up.  Getting paid somewhat is better than not getting paid at all.

The problem is, a lot of companies aren't hiring right now so the ones who are hiring can take advantage of the work force. If you had twenty people applying for three jobs wouldn't you rather hire five people part time? If you did you wouldn't have to give them higher wages or the benefits associated with being a full time worker. Being part time means you don't get an type of insurance from your company, which is just another expense to take out of your already reduced paycheck. You are right, hard work will get you a job....but only if the company is willing to pay you more and in many cases you can't be hired until after a year as a temp/part time (ex. Factories, USPS). Is some money better than no money? Yes, but that is not the situation. The situation is "Is a year of not having enough money to pay the bills and hoping you get hired better than getting the money you need to pay the bills and support your family?" Also, don't worry, I know your not being mean but we live in a rural area without a lot of food banks or churches eager to give out money because they are struggling too.

[Piotr]

When you are working sporadically, people see that you are working hard and might give you a full time job, or make that job more steady for you.

Piece of advice, never quit your job until you have another lined up.  Getting paid somewhat is better than not getting paid at all.

The problem is, a lot of companies aren't hiring right now so the ones who are hiring can take advantage of the work force. If you had twenty people applying for three jobs wouldn't you rather hire five people part time? If you did you wouldn't have to give them higher wages or the benefits associated with being a full time worker. Being part time means you don't get an type of insurance from your company, which is just another expense to take out of your already reduced paycheck. You are right, hard work will get you a job....but only if the company is willing to pay you more and in many cases you can't be hired until after a year as a temp/part time (ex. Factories, USPS). Is some money better than no money? Yes, but that is not the situation. The situation is "Is a year of not having enough money to pay the bills and hoping you get hired better than getting the money you need to pay the bills and support your family?" Also, don't worry, I know your not being mean but we live in a rural area without a lot of food banks or churches eager to give out money because they are struggling too.

Your naivety is so cute. As a .loving. greedy bastard entrepreneur I'll give you a pro tip: 5 workers is 5 times the problems of 1 worker

The problem we have with the economy was caused by reduction of freedom in the market. Your solution to the problem? More regulation. That is either naive, or malicious.

[Boringanarchy2]

When you are working sporadically, people see that you are working hard and might give you a full time job, or make that job more steady for you.

Piece of advice, never quit your job until you have another lined up.  Getting paid somewhat is better than not getting paid at all.

The problem is, a lot of companies aren't hiring right now so the ones who are hiring can take advantage of the work force. If you had twenty people applying for three jobs wouldn't you rather hire five people part time? If you did you wouldn't have to give them higher wages or the benefits associated with being a full time worker. Being part time means you don't get an type of insurance from your company, which is just another expense to take out of your already reduced paycheck. You are right, hard work will get you a job....but only if the company is willing to pay you more and in many cases you can't be hired until after a year as a temp/part time (ex. Factories, USPS). Is some money better than no money? Yes, but that is not the situation. The situation is "Is a year of not having enough money to pay the bills and hoping you get hired better than getting the money you need to pay the bills and support your family?" Also, don't worry, I know your not being mean but we live in a rural area without a lot of food banks or churches eager to give out money because they are struggling too.

Your naivety is so cute. As a .loving. greedy bastard entrepreneur I'll give you a pro tip: 5 workers is 5 times the problems of 1 worker

The problem we have with the economy was caused by reduction of freedom in the market. Your solution to the problem? More regulation. That is either naive, or malicious.

That's right because there was so much regulation leading up to the crisis...wait.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Your naivety is so cute. As a .loving. greedy bastard entrepreneur I'll give you a pro tip: 5 workers is 5 times the problems of 1 worker

The problem we have with the economy was caused by reduction of freedom in the market. Your solution to the problem? More regulation. That is either naive, or malicious.

Ummm...regulation not being able to keep up with information age trading has caused how many microcrashes? To quote my college economics textbook "The problem in recent years is that financial technology has outpaced financial regulation."

Also "5 workers is 5 times the problems of 1 worker" may be true but I said 5 as opposed to 3 (reading helps). Also it makes a lot of sense to hire temps:

3 Full time X 40 hours X whatever the union has agreed on like say $8+insurance and all other benefits=$960+the cost of the benefits
5 temps X 24 hours X minimum wage 7.25=$870

[Boringanarchy2]

@piotor.  Us you are greedy.  Charging $10 to unlock all of this app.  (Whatever, I don't care) and you are a bastard.  This evil malicious app has tAken over my life.  I'm addicted to it.  I spend all of my free time on it. 

You also have to keep in mind the cost to train those employees, the extra work to pay them, keep track of their hours, that they are slacking off, taking money out of their paycheck for fica and social security, etc.  I would say it comes out to be about even. So 1 person would be better. 

If you can't qualify for welfare if you are trying to work yourself, this system is even more broken than I realized and needs to go. 

If you go to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, they will help you because their donations go to a massive fund that any other one of their divisions can pull from if needed.

All of the costs you listed for part-timers are automated, one time, or negligible.

[Piotr]

To quote my college economics textbook "The problem in recent years is that financial technology has outpaced financial regulation."

Also "5 workers is 5 times the problems of 1 worker" may be true but I said 5 as opposed to 3 (reading helps). Also it makes a lot of sense to hire temps:

3 Full time X 40 hours X whatever the union has agreed on like say $8+insurance and all other benefits=$960+the cost of the benefits
5 temps X 24 hours X minimum wage 7.25=$870

Your college book is not worth the paper it is printed on, if it contains such lies. Read something by Hayek or Friedman instead. Both Nobel prize winners, if it matters to you.

The data you provided proves the point that the current high unemployment is partially caused by government enforced insurance monopoly and government enforcing the minimum wage. Well done.

[Piotr]

The problem we have with the economy was caused by reduction of freedom in the market. Your solution to the problem? More regulation. That is either naive, or malicious.

That's right because there was so much regulation leading up to the crisis...wait.

Are you saying that the financial sector prior to 2007 mortgage crisis was unregulated and free? Do you also claim that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae did not exist and did not have government guarantees, and that the financial institutions were not subsequently bailed out by taxpayers money?

[Piotr]

You also have to keep in mind the cost to train those employees, the extra work to pay them, keep track of their hours, that they are slacking off, taking money out of their paycheck for fica and social security, etc.  I would say it comes out to be about even. So 1 person would be better. 

All of the costs you listed for part-timers are automated, one time, or negligible.

If you want to discuss here, provide data. If you claim that the above costs are negligible, you are either lying outright or are clueless and still taking part in the discussion. This is your last warning before you spread any more socialist propaganda on my forum.

[Boringanarchy2]

Wow, threatening people who have the audacity to disagree with. This is surely the best reponse to the situation.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Wow, threatening people who have the audacity to disagree with. This is surely the best reponse to the situation.

Cut out your socialist propaganda!

[Boringanarchy2]

The problem we have with the economy was caused by reduction of freedom in the market. Your solution to the problem? More regulation. That is either naive, or malicious.

That's right because there was so much regulation leading up to the crisis...wait.

Are you saying that the financial sector prior to 2007 mortgage crisis was unregulated and free? Do you also claim that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae did not exist and did not have government guarantees, and that the financial institutions were not subsequently bailed out by taxpayers money?

Never claimed they did not exist, but a lack of regulation exacerbated the situation. There is an excellent documentary called Inside Jobnif you are interested.

[Mlerner12]

You also have to keep in mind the cost to train those employees, the extra work to pay them, keep track of their hours, that they are slacking off, taking money out of their paycheck for fica and social security, etc.  I would say it comes out to be about even. So 1 person would be better. 

All of the costs you listed for part-timers are automated, one time, or negligible.

If you want to discuss here, provide data. If you claim that the above costs are negligible, you are either lying outright or are clueless and still taking part in the discussion. This is your last warning before you spread any more socialist propaganda on my forum.

Piotr, I'm against socialism as much as you are, but he does have the freedom of speech.  He can say what he wants.

True. Also, Piort, I am GREATLY against you forcing your views on others as it seems you are doing.

[Vyse]

Had no idea what was going on at first, then figured out it was Piotr again. I have him on my block list because NOTHING you say will get through his bull-head, and I'd just recommend doing the same if you're having issues to save yourself trouble. Best of luck.