Jobs

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

Do you think that we are in a job crisis at the moment.

And if so, who is to blame?

[Mlerner12]

Slightly. A lot of manufacturing jobs gave returned to US. And if anyone says Obama remember that one of his greatest achievements is making a ton of auto industry jobs that pay well in the US.

[Nepentheceae]

In Canada we've lost many jobs because traders don't want processed goods they want cheap raw goods. So we sell the raw low, they process it and make a finished product. And sell it back to us 10x the raw price. Canada's free trade logic.

[gtfotis]

The military is always hiring! :3 I joined the Marine Corps a few years ago and now I'm reaping the educational rewards and make enough money from that to not need a job at the moment.

Also, aren't the majority of jobs Obama has "created" part time jobs that don't pay enough for people to support their families?

I'm also not into .politics. at all so everything is just hearsay to me.. Haha

[imthelolrus]

The military is always hiring! :3 I joined the Marine Corps a few years ago and now I'm reaping the educational rewards and make enough money from that to not need a job at the moment.

Also, aren't the majority of jobs Obama has "created" part time jobs that don't pay enough for people to support their families?

I'm also not into .politics. at all so everything is just hearsay to me.. Haha

Of course they are always hiring, have you seen our defense budget? It's sickening.

[gtfotis]

The military is always hiring! :3 I joined the Marine Corps a few years ago and now I'm reaping the educational rewards and make enough money from that to not need a job at the moment.

Also, aren't the majority of jobs Obama has "created" part time jobs that don't pay enough for people to support their families?

I'm also not into .politics. at all so everything is just hearsay to me.. Haha

Of course they are always hiring, have you seen our defense budget? It's sickening.

There was a period of time where we weren't getting paid.. A very tiny fraction of that budget actually goes to the average Marine/Soldier/Squid/Chairman

I was actually kidding about them hiring, they're actually trying to kick as many people out as they can because they're losing so much money

[imthelolrus]

The military is always hiring! :3 I joined the Marine Corps a few years ago and now I'm reaping the educational rewards and make enough money from that to not need a job at the moment.

Also, aren't the majority of jobs Obama has "created" part time jobs that don't pay enough for people to support their families?

I'm also not into .politics. at all so everything is just hearsay to me.. Haha

Of course they are always hiring, have you seen our defense budget? It's sickening.

There was a period of time where we weren't getting paid.. A very tiny fraction of that budget actually goes to the average Marine/Soldier/Squid/Chairman

I was actually kidding about them hiring, they're actually trying to kick as many people out as they can because they're losing so much money

Yeah, idk I'm just a giant hippie who thinks we don't need to spend so much $$ on defense and guns while we ignore education and healthcare. 😥

[gtfotis]

Is that why you karma'd me? 😭
I'm not pro military at all. I joined for the education benefits and got out early

[imthelolrus]

Is that why you karma'd me? 😭
I'm not pro military at all. I joined for the education benefits and got out early

I did it because the post struck me as a little boastful. I'm a full time graduate student working part time and working an unpaid internship as part of my training. It's impossible and expensive but that's besides the point, the point is I thought you were also pro military

Also: don't worry so much about your karma or it'll just sink lower.. It's just a number

[gtfotis]

Ah, I'm sorry it came off that way, I wasn't attempting to show off or anything. Reaping was a bad word. It just covers my video gaming haha

Yeah I know it's just a number, I just happen to piss someone off with everything I say haha

[imthelolrus]

Ah, I'm sorry it came off that way, I wasn't attempting to show off or anything. Reaping was a bad word. It just covers my video gaming haha

Yeah I know it's just a number, I just happen to piss someone off with everything I say haha

Nah, I gave you +1

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

The reason that we don't have more jobs is that we have so much gridlock in the capital. It has been proven that spending stimulates the economy so why don't we put money into job growth and education and stop fighting wars in countries that don't want us there? Do you know why Al-queda is attacking us? After World War II the Soviet Union faced off in a pissing contest called the Cold War. During the Cold War the Soviet Union and America basically started paying off other countries (mostly in the Middle East and in South America) to be our allies. In 1978 the Soviet Union tried to work with the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) which seized power in Afghanistan in the Saur Revolution. An uprising against the new government rose up called the Mujahideen. The United States Central Intelligence Agency decided to train and supply the rebels (during Operation Cyclone) and after they fought back the Soviets, we basically said, .love. you we're done here, leaving their country war-torn and in ruins. The Mujahideen, with their leader Osama bin Laden (sound familiar?) then changed their name to Al-queda and decided to fight western influences (like the one who left their country in ruins). Wouldn't you be pissed too? Don't get me wrong, I am not saying terrorism is okay, I am saying maybe if we weren't such assholes we wouldn't have to spend decades with our soldiers over seas risking their lives.

Now to the reason welfare programs are so broken. Welfare programs started in the mid 1900's and were going fine...until the Vietnam conflict broke out. After John F. Kennedy died, the new president Lyndon B. Johnson instead of pulling out, decided to go in full force, diverting money away from social welfare programs and because the programs never really got full funding, they never did their full job.

Congrats stupid presidents, you .love. ed the country!

[Piotr]

Obama created 1.4 mil jobs (I think.  My numbers might be off) in 2 years.  Ronald regan created 1.4 mil jobs in 1 month.  And there was a lot less people in the us back then.

Yes Obama created jobs, but it wasn't that many and he sucked at it.

Neither Reagan nor Obama created any jobs. The jobs are created by enterprises which sell enough product that it warrants hiring more people.

Government job creation is a myth, they cannot create any jobs without destroying jobs, because they only redistribute wealth, they do not create wealth, they extort it from taxpayers. For every dollar spent by the government to 'create, stimulate, whatever' there is over a dollar stolen from someone. It is well over a dollar extorted from a place where it would create more than a dollar worth of jobs. Government bureaucracy is not free, they take a dollar from you, pay the bureaucracy, then spend the remainder on their current agenda. Then they will lie to you that they created jobs, while in fact they destroyed more than they created.

You can argue that government is more efficient at creating jobs than we are. Go ahead, make my day.

[Piotr]

It has been proven that spending stimulates the economy

Has it been proven that extorting money from the economy slows it down? When you extort 1.2 dollars from economy, pay 0.4 dollars for the cost of extortion and stimulation, then stimulate the economy by the remaining 0.8, didn't you in fact created a lot of hot air and bureaucracy while destroying 0.4 worth of real jobs?

[Piotr]

Now to the reason welfare programs are so broken. Welfare programs started in the mid 1900's and were going fine...until the Vietnam conflict broke out. After John F. Kennedy died, the new president Lyndon B. Johnson instead of pulling out, decided to go in full force, diverting money away from social welfare programs and because the programs never really got full funding, they never did their full job.

Welfare programs are broken by design. They assume people are not greedy, which is not true. If people were not greedy and just take from the welfare programs what they need, as in theory, all would be fine. The problem is, people are greedy and when they see opportunity to enrich themselves at the expense of others, they will do so. The other problem is, welfare programs are designed to help people who are needy. It is not possible to verify whether their needs are true or whether they come from greed and laziness. That is why all welfare programs and all forms of socialism and communism fail in the long run. They never go fine.

On top of that we have a little bit of a moral problem here. To pay for welfare programs you have to extort money from someone first. The goal is to help the needy people, which is noble and glorious, but the means to reach this goal is extortion of money at gunpoint. This is a nono under iMtG law, and any compatible ethics.