Mimic vat nonsense

[Alexzang, etherium envoy]

So if I play {Gideon Jura} and {mimic vat} and I activate Gideon's ability making him a creature, then if I kill him would he be able to be targeted and resolve as part of vats ability?

[Giggle the Draco Genius]

Yes you can, and whenever you activate the mimic cat it would play Gideon in his planeswalker form. Not as a creature. He still has haste and he still must be exiled at the next end step

[Alexzang, etherium envoy]

So then next part of the question: if I end the turn via {sundial of the infinite} can I produce Gideon's that will stay?

[MuggyWuggy]

So then next part of the question: if I end the turn via {sundial of the infinite} can I produce Gideon's that will stay?

No it will send him away immediately
His soldier creature state is only until end of turn

[Alexzang, etherium envoy]

His avatar state?

[MuggyWuggy]

Fixed

[Alexzang, etherium envoy]

I realize he is no longer a creature but I'm asking due to vats wording normally he is exiled at the next end step but if I end the turn, effectively removing the end step would he get to stick around?

[Keyeto]

I realize he is no longer a creature but I'm asking due to vats wording normally he is exiled at the next end step but if I end the turn, effectively removing the end step would he get to stick around?

He'll be exiled at the next end step. So, if you use it in your turn, and use the sundial, your end step is skipped. Then, when the opponent's end step comes around, he will be exiled, since that is the "next" end step.

[Gorzo]

You can make it work. Allow the exile at end step trigger to go on the stack, then exile the stack with the sundial. Trigger is done and won't trigger again, as the condition was already met. (Note: it's different if worded "sacrifice at the end step" as opposed to "at the next end step." Next end step only triggers once, end step period will trigger at each and every end step.)

[Kaleo42]

You can make it work. Allow the exile at end step trigger to go on the stack, then exile the stack with the sundial. Trigger is done and won't trigger again, as the condition was already met. (Note: it's different if worded "sacrifice at the end step" as opposed to "at the next end step." Next end step only triggers once, end step period will trigger at each and every end step.)

Confirmed this. {mimic vat}'s 2nd ruling says the token stays indefinately if it somehow doesnt get exiled on that endstep.

[RayZoh]

Yes he will stay. {Mimic Vat} will create a delayed trigger for the next end step. If it is your end step, you can use {Sundial of the Infinite} in response to that delayed trigger to end your turn and not have to worry about that trigger again.