Spelltwine

[The1337Magician]

My friend played  {Spelltwine} and played  {Angel's Mercy} and  {Dispel}. Does he have to counter  {Angel's Mercy} or can  {Dispel} counter itself?

[Keyeto]

He has to counter the {Angel's Mercy}. A counter spell cannot counter itself.

114.4.: A spell or ability on the stack is an illegal target for itself.

[Mutexes]

My friend played  {Spelltwine} and played  {Angel's Mercy} and  {Dispel}. Does he have to counter  {Angel's Mercy} or can  {Dispel} counter itself?

Nothing gets countered. He is the caster of both spells. {Dispel} goes on the stack with no valid targets, followed by {Angel's Mercy}. Angel's Mercy resolves, Dispel fizzles.

[Mentonin]

He can counter his own spells, so he could counter the mercy if he so wanted. He cannot place the dispel in the stack without targets though

[Paraluke]

I think thread starter has to elaborate on the situation and the sequence as it goes. There is still some guesswork on the way he says it.

If we so assume that spelltwine targets those two cards, then keyeto will be right since when he chose dispel he has to target, which by then only angel will be the only valid spell on the stack to be countered.

[MementoMori]

Since the copies can be cast in either order, can't he try casting Dispel first, fail due to a lack of targets, then cast Angel's Mercy?

[MisterJH]

Idk cuz can he even legally cast dispel without there being targets.?

[Paraluke]

If the order in spelltwine meant anything, he needs to pick a card in his grave before picking the one in the opponent's. So if his graveyard is angel's mercy and opponent's dispel, then he would have to dispel the Angela's mercy I guess.

But if not, I believe if he chose dispel, then angel's mercy it can be possible, since spelltwine did say "cast them if able".

[Mentonin]

He chooses in which order to cast them, no matter where each came from

[Crapshooter]

Wouldn't they essentially be cast at the same time which means the counter wouldn't be cast able with no legal targets.  {Spelltwine} even has a clause saying if able.

[Coffee Vampire]

On the ruling for the card in question, it states that if one of the copies requires you to target a spell, you can target the other copy.

[Mentonin]

To be more specific it says you can cast the copies in either order and, if the second one requires to target a spell, he can target the first one

[Giggle the Draco Genius]

The text on  {Spelltwine} says cat them if able. You can't cast a counter without a legal target so you would cast the angels mercy since you are able. I am not 100% sure if you have to check if you can cast dispel again or if since you checked it would just sit there

[The1337Magician]

To be more specific, the only spells in his graveyard were {Dispel} and {Cancel}. And the only spell in my graveyard was {Angel's Mercy}. So he casts the two previously mentioned cards, but says mine first, so doesn't he have to counter mine?

[Paraluke]

If you choose the order u choose dispel then mercy. So mercy resolve first then dispel fizzle with no targets.