Proxies...

[MuggyWuggy]

So I was playing at m LGS and joined some folks or EDH. Two of them used proxies, but like absurd proxies from PRE revised.

I know it's a casual format, but it seems less fun when someone just prints a card from their printer. I felt like I might as well go print some stupid deck that has some crazy infinite combo....but I don't feel right about playing cards I don't actually have as it feels kind of cheap...


Thoughts?

[Keyeto]

I don't think that's right. I usually allow my friends a proxy or two if they're trying to fine tune a deck, and want to know if its worth spending the money on specific cards. But when you go overboard (like it sounds these guys did) then it's just flat out cheating. Anyone could easily make an unfairly powerul proxy deck, but come on, there's nothing fun about that.

[izik99]

Yeah, some guy had like 5 commander decks, all with proxy original duals and expensive cards like that. It was pretty annoying.

[AgrusKos]

I use them for playtesting

[izik99]

I don't think that's right. I usually allow my friends a proxy or two if they're trying to fine tune a deck, and want to know if its worth spending the money on specific cards. But when you go overboard (like it sounds these guys did) then it's just flat out cheating. Anyone could easily make an unfairly powerul proxy deck, but come on, there's nothing fun about that.

Or if everyone agrees to use proxies, then everyone can have an amazingly powerful deck. But this guy used them as actual decks, so it was pretty stupid playing against him.

[MuggyWuggy]

I mean play test at home
Not a franklin game store.

A part of magic of which I enjoyed was not going crazy and buying singles. Buy packs; use your card pool. Trade to expand.

It absolutely was boring when people pull out cards they cannot actually play if it were a tournament.

Player 1 does crazy spell combo
Player 2: "Oh yeah. Well I have a force of will"
(shows piece of paper in sleeve that says "force of will") "pay life and counter"
Player 1: that's a piece of paper in a sleeve...it's not even cut in the shape of a card, it's a star.
Player 2: Proxy brahh

[ChrisRodriguez]

My play group allows proxies only if you are actively looking for the real card. I don't understand why people play with a proxy deck. It's unfair to those who play this game right and actually work hard in finding the cards for their deck.

[Stoneco1d869]

We allow proxies only if you own the card. This helps just because we each have 5 plus EDH decks and we don't want to constantly swap out high value cards.

[Bman0121]

I dont want to see proxies in a commander deck the only thing im okay with them proxieing is the general if it isnt a absurbly powerful one

[Dudecore]

I'm not against proxies. Commander is a casual format after all, lots of the really good cards are quite expensive, some people rightfully so cannot justify spending the money on them. Proxing dual lands doesn't bother me, it doesn't give you a sizable advantage.

Most of the Power 9 are banned anyway, except {Time Twister}, which is fairly symmetrical for everyone.

I personally own all my cards, because I enjoy playing with powerful cards and they're an investment. I think denying people use of powerful cards because of money limitations stifles my competition. I'm all for it.

Edit: {Force of Will} is quite expensive, and because it is used in Legacy it becomes prohibitive for Commander players. {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} is another. At one point I owned 4, traded 2 for some revised lands. I've seen people proxy them, but I don't get mad because its essentially worthless - and they get to play on the same level as I can - which is great for competition.

[Dudecore]

Additionally: I would consider using proxies if I was to lend my deck to someone I don't know, or a major tournament. Cards get stolen often at these events, and I could risk losing up to several thousand dollars if I was raided. I would be willing to show a judge the real copies, and explain that I'm using proxies for protection.

[MuggyWuggy]

Well time to use the gold bordered  {Burning Wish} I have and use  {Riftsweeper}  {Pull from Eternity} to bounce it back several times. I'll have MTG open as my "library" then I can write the card on some paper and insert it into a sleeve and voila!
I'm going to put an ante card in also.

[Wackaman9001]

Mainly i use proxies for when the original is in a competitive deck and i dont want to pull them out, but i at least let people know im using them first, and i pull out the deck woth the card of they do have a problem

[Gorzo]

I'm on the fence for proxies, myself. On the one hand, I understand that using proxies allows you to complete and start playing with your deck sooner. If you play with friends who all have more money or access to better cards than you, proxies can help you bridge the gap. But on the other hand, if your friends are on similar ground as you, using proxies gives you a bit of an unfair edge. It can be really obnoxious.

My friend uses proxies. He does it because his friends all are super competitive, play very spike-style even in EDH, and have a much greater collection than he does. So he proxies to keep up. But then when he plays withy friends and me, he still has his proxied spike decks, and the level if power those proxies put him at above our casual decks is really annoying - it feels more like we're playing Archenemy, because we have to gang up on him. He has less fun because he's getting ganged up on, and we have less fun because his decks are absurd. It's just a lose-lose.

[5/9 Turtle]

The only time my friends and I will use proxies are if a card is quite costly and we don't want it to get ruined