Banned list update

ChrisRodriguez · April 22, 2013, 04:45:28 PM

Did y'all see that {Trade Secrets} got banned and that {Staff of Domination} got unbanned.

Gorzo · April 22, 2013, 04:48:43 PM

Say what? I'm going to be super pissed if trade secrets got banned. Off to check.

Edit: what the hell. This is a terrible decision. I could care less about the staff being unbanned, but {Trade Secrets} is one of the most fun cards in the format. Banning it because a few people were being stupid with it and missing the point of EDH in general is really dumb. They might as well ban Mentos because a few people put them diet coke and ruined the carpet.

ChrisRodriguez · April 22, 2013, 05:01:45 PM

Quote from: Gorzo on April 22, 2013, 04:48:43 PM
Say what? I'm going to be super pissed if trade secrets got banned. Off to check.

Edit: what the hell. This is a terrible decision. I could care less about the staff being unbanned, but {Trade Secrets} is one of the most fun cards in the format. Banning it because a few people were being stupid with it and missing the point of EDH in general is really dumb. They might as well ban Mentos because a few people put them diet coke and ruined the carpet.

I can't agree more. Although I don't play with {Trade Secrets} myself 3 ppl in my play group do and it's always fun. We don't abuse the card. I liked that card in a big game. And as for {Staff of Domination} the only thing I want to try is infinite mana in mono{B}.

Gorzo · April 22, 2013, 05:05:16 PM

This is a sad day

Trade Secrets is one of my favorite EDH cards of all time. I don't think I have any reason to play blue anymore. I can get my card draw from black.

ChrisRodriguez · April 22, 2013, 05:16:24 PM

Quote from: Gorzo on April 22, 2013, 05:05:16 PM
This is a sad day Trade Secrets is one of my favorite EDH cards of all time. I don't think I have any reason to play blue anymore. I can get my card draw from black.

Well there's still {Consecrated Sphinx} and a few others in blue that can draw you cards, but I understand your anger. My friends feel the same way.

Keyeto · April 22, 2013, 05:19:59 PM

Why did they do this? They unban a notorious infinite combo engine, and then ban a really fun draw spell? Great, now even the ban list for EDH is going down a dark path.

Iandtormentor · April 22, 2013, 05:36:16 PM

Quote from: Keyeto on April 22, 2013, 05:19:59 PM
Why did they do this? They unban a notorious infinite combo engine, and then ban a really fun draw spell? Great, now even the ban list for EDH is going down a dark path.

Talk about it

ChrisRodriguez · April 22, 2013, 06:17:24 PM

What I wanted them to ban was {Sorin Markov} and/or {Master of Cruelties}. Maybe ban as commander {Zur the Enchanter} and/or {Kaalia of the Vast}.

Rasser · April 22, 2013, 06:18:01 PM

Do you think the banning of trade secrets has anything to do with the release of {Notion Thief}?

Keyeto · April 22, 2013, 06:24:13 PM

Quote from: Rasser on April 22, 2013, 06:18:01 PM
Do you think the banning of trade secrets has anything to do with the release of {Notion Thief}?

It's possible, but there are much more evil ways to exploit {Notion Thief} for card draw. They should ban the thief before {Trade Secrets}; he turns cards like {Reforge the Soul} into "You opponent has no hand, draw 14." Trade Secrets was just a fun card to play. Surprising they banned such a popular and liked card.

Iandtormentor · April 22, 2013, 06:28:04 PM

Quote from: Rasser on April 22, 2013, 06:18:01 PM
Do you think the banning of trade secrets has anything to do with the release of {Notion Thief}?

I was just about to post this EXACT thing!!!

ChrisRodriguez · April 22, 2013, 06:31:49 PM

Quote from: Rasser on April 22, 2013, 06:18:01 PM
Do you think the banning of trade secrets has anything to do with the release of {Notion Thief}?

I don't think so, because {Master of Cruelties} was left untouched and that's more degenerate then {Trade Secrets} ever was.

Jackson get out · April 22, 2013, 08:14:30 PM

Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on April 22, 2013, 06:17:24 PM
What I wanted them to ban was {Sorin Markov} and/or {Master of Cruelties}. Maybe ban as commander {Zur the Enchanter} and/or {Kaalia of the Vast}.

They would ban {Zur the Enchanter}, but I don't think they would ever ban {Kaalia of the Vast} because they printed her in the commander set, if they did ban her it wouldn't be for a few years I suppose!

Wackaman9001 · April 22, 2013, 08:26:50 PM

Mtgcommander.net has nothing to do with commander decks being printed, and mtgcommander is the closest thing to an authority on this casual format

Dudecore · April 22, 2013, 09:10:13 PM

"{Trade Secrets} is much like {Limited Resources} in that has some issues in a multiplayer environment. It isn't a problem when one player draws four cards and another draws eight. Trade Secrets is a problem when both players decide to draw 80 cards and effectively turn a four-player game into a two-player game. It just doesn't add enough to the format to justify the games that it single-handedly ruins."

First - has {Trade Secrets} ever been used for this purpose? And the nerve to liken it to {Limited Resources}? I only know 1 person who plays {Trade Secrets} - me. So what if 2 players draw their decks until they find {Reliquary Tower}? A lot of decks do crazy broken things.

Second - as Wackaman9001 has pointed out, MTG Commander.com is not affiliated with Wizards of the Coast. And they even printed {Trade Secrets} in the "Political Puppets" deck.

Also, {Consecrated Sphinx} getting banned too? 2 players with that out draw an awful lot of cards. How about {Sylvan Primordial} aka Primeval Titan redux?