Gun control (for school essay)

Started by Missingkirby34, April 22, 2013, 03:58:57 PM

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Wally

Quote from: NyghtHawk on April 22, 2013, 08:31:57 PM
Quote from: Wally on April 22, 2013, 07:05:07 PM
I also do not want to be shot in the street, therefore I am happy to deferr my rights to own an assault rifle if it means that the chances I will be shot will be dramatically reduced. I see this as a logical solution. If there are less guns in circulation I have a less chance of being shot. Less = less.
Of course you have less chance but then what's to say you don't get shot by a pistol, a shotgun, stabbed with a knife? How do you draw the line? Someone makes a bomb? Criminals are criminals. If they didn't have assault rifles, which most criminals don't they'll find another way. Always do,

Always a fair point, and I guess that's where we rely on the police force and the government to regulate crime, rather than vigilante type intervention.

NyghtHawk

Quote from: Wally on April 22, 2013, 08:42:03 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on April 22, 2013, 08:31:57 PM
Quote from: Wally on April 22, 2013, 07:05:07 PM
I also do not want to be shot in the street, therefore I am happy to deferr my rights to own an assault rifle if it means that the chances I will be shot will be dramatically reduced. I see this as a logical solution. If there are less guns in circulation I have a less chance of being shot. Less = less.
Of course you have less chance but then what's to say you don't get shot by a pistol, a shotgun, stabbed with a knife? How do you draw the line? Someone makes a bomb? Criminals are criminals. If they didn't have assault rifles, which most criminals don't they'll find another way. Always do,

Always a fair point, and I guess that's where we rely on the police force and the government to regulate crime, rather than vigilante type intervention.
I dont think most people in America that want guns are all about vigilante type stuff. Most either want it for recreation or for defense in regards to someone breaking into their house, etc...Not Kick-Ass type stuff haha.

Dmreiss

I believe in the second amendment as it protects our other rights.  Our forefathers fought the revolution and drafted what they believed where our basic rights.  With those rights come responsibility.  If you are going to have a tool, then you should be able to maintain that tool and know what it is capable of.

I have several guns (some could even be referred to as assault weapons), but to me they are tools.  I shoot competitions and refereed shooting competitions in the past.  I see it as any other game, like golf.  I can go to the range with some friends and shoot off 50 rounds or 500 rounds.  I know that I am there with friends enjoying a sport that can bring people together.  Go to a range, and 9 out of 10 are going to be friendly.  Notated what there is that one oddball, even in golf.

I also believe that I have a right to defend myself and my family.  And that should not be taken away.

And about confiscation... Is it right or a government to come in and take my property?  What about the money I have in my guns?  Is that going to be replaced?  I don't think so.  Say I have $30,000 in guns, how would that be fair to me?

Imdowd80

To the people using the second admenment argument please refer to the whole thing. You have right to bare arms in a well regulated militia.

No do I think this needs to be looked at and reworked for today society. Yes. However since it isn't we have to follow fully, or not at all.

Do I believe that the shotguns in my house, and the pistols I inherited are excessive, no. But on the flip side why does one need multiple AR?

Just a few jumping off points for your topic

Dmreiss

Responsible gun ownership is not a problem.  With anything, it is about personal responsibility.


#noided

Quote from: KangaRod on April 22, 2013, 10:18:05 PM
It will literally take generations to fix the problem you have right now because of how entrenched the notion that owning a firearm is a god given birthright is across the population.

It's not about just owning a firearm. These rights were outlined in the Constitution for a reason, and I'll be damned if they're taken away. It's already starting with the 2nd Amendment and this last week in Boston has me convinced that people are willing to give up their 4th Amendment rights.

Hell, the 4th Amendment hardly exists anymore now that the Supreme Court has ruled on probable cause.

Apathy Reactor

I own a revolver only for self-defense purposes, I keep it beside my bed and it gives me a sense of satisfaction that if someone broke into my house, I would likely be better armed than them. I honestly don't see the need for assault weapons to be owned by civilians, maybe war veterans as tokens of the past, but not civilians, but ban all guns? I don't think so. that would be taking people's self defense, hobbies, food, ect.

Apathy Reactor

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

smokin terry

Those amendments were made while we were a rebeling nation.

#noided

Quote from: IceScythe on April 22, 2013, 11:37:33 PM
I own a revolver only for self-defense purposes, I keep it beside my bed and it gives me a sense of satisfaction that if someone broke into my house, I would likely be better armed than them. I honestly don't see the need for assault weapons to be owned by civilians, maybe war veterans as tokens of the past, but not civilians, but ban all guns? I don't think so. that would be taking people's self defense, hobbies, food, ect.

Assault weapons don't exist. It's a manufactured term for rifles that bear resemblance to military rifles, in appearance, but function no differently than a sporting rifle.

Dmreiss

A fear of weapons is a sign of emotional and sexual immaturity.  -freud

Wally

Firstly I'm not sure on the specifics of what is being called for in America, and how it relates in regards to what guns you already have. But when the gun laws here were put in place, people who had guns were able to either sell them at market cost to the government, knowing they would be destroyed, or to obtain a special permit to have it, keep it and use it.

Anyone wanting to purchase a new firearm in Australia must first obtain a firearms license (which includes police background checks and the like) and then must show (provide details) that they have sufficient secure storage for the firearm in their house/wherever. Eg. No more gun racks over the open fireplace etc.
Secure storage must include a separate lockable storage for the bolt/removable firing mechanism and the ammunition.

Surely more control is a good thing when talking about things that kill people.

Missingkirby34

I just watched "Bowling for Columbine" and I am speechless.... If you haven't seen it... Take 2 hours and watch it, I can post the link to where I found it. It brought tears to my eyes....

Malleo

Quote from: Imdowd80 on April 22, 2013, 10:06:52 PM
To the people using the second admenment argument please refer to the whole thing. You have right to bare arms in a well regulated militia.

No do I think this needs to be looked at and reworked for today society. Yes. However since it isn't we have to follow fully, or not at all.

The thing people that talk about the militias always forget is that when the constitution was written the militia was anybody who was old enough to fight

Moneekahh

Quote from: KangaRod on April 22, 2013, 07:30:29 PM
Your rights to own a weapon are guaranteed by the 2nd amendment to the constitution of the United States.

See, I thought so too, but then I read  {Werebear}s flavor text and now I just don't know what to think!