Eggs are done

[Langku]

Woah I am pretty sure either dudecore or gorzo called the banning of an eggs component. Sorry can't remember which, but whoever you are, good job! Haha

Man that's sad...eggs was such a neat deck. And really, it's not that hard to beat post board. Why...

Death Gaara did. I knew it was gonna happen too. It's a shame they did it to a deck that was going to be hated away anyway, it couldn't respond post-board to anyone. It just makes modern another boring format: good stuff, pod or Tron. Pick your. Wizards has REALLY whiffed on their promises for Modern format.

It's too expensive (staples are not being printed quickly enough), too restricted, too uninteresting to break into. It completely fails as an eternal format.

Your point is well taken, Dudecore but modern is my favorite format (though edh is an ever closer second). I found modern exciting to break into since it offers great variety  but with limitations. I have found that these limitations encourage experimentation because i am fequired to find work-arounds for the banned cards.

[ihasfrozen]

Kind of saw the writing on the wall, though the official reasoning may not have been the best (and card choice for that matter, I would have banned {Reshape}). Ultimately the deck was being quite consistant at going off before turn 4.
While many people argue that a proper sideboard can hate out eggs, my experience has been even with all of my hate sided in, it didn't mean much when they dropped  {Leyline of Sanctity} to prevent hand disruption,  {Slaughter Games}, and targeted graveyard hate such as  {Rakdos Charm}.  {Stony Silence} or  {Relic of Progenitus}? Pray they don't have  {Echoing Truth} or another sunrise or {Twincast}.
In the end, the deck is set slightly behind where it was before M2013, and the format is not going to have some cataclysmic end because of the banning. I still am very happy with Modern, though I do hope that they decide to unban a few cards, to help alleviate the stigma of constant bannings.

[Bman0121]

They banned the wrong card banning  {Second Sunrise} pretty much destroys the deck we still have  {Faith's Reward} but its not as good they should have banned  {Reshape} that way eggs can still be a deck but make it a turn ar 2 slower

[ihasfrozen]

They banned the wrong card banning  {Second Sunrise} pretty much destroys the deck we still have  {Faith's Reward} but its not as good they should have banned  {Reshape} that way eggs can still be a deck but make it a turn ar 2 slower

Agreed,  {Reshape} into  {Lotus Bloom} to get around suspend was the main reason it could go off so soon.

[Birdbrain]

Maybe in the future (like during the third set of theros) they can unban some of the decks they banned, and gradually unban decks with every set. That they banned for no reason. Or they could just freaking print awnsers for those decks that could be staple cards and suddenly a good chunk of people stop playing because they don't want to have to think about how to deal with it. Seriously, print a clear awnser first before banning something.

Maybe they have printed awnsers to the decks, but nobody ran them because the top players wernt running them. Maybe they should make it a requirement that the top five players have to run something different every time they play? That will cause them to make different decks, and thus cause the format to freaking evolve and be diverse

[Birdbrain]

Or better still they could have printed something that's like {second sunrise} yet completely different so eggs suddenly diversify's and then print more staples for eggs than can be put in a deck, and then suddenly eggs diversify's even more

[Birdbrain]

MaRo is wrong, well at least partly wrong. Restrictions don't always breed creativity. The reason all eggs decks seemed fairly the same was there wasn't enough eggs staples to go around. Why not freaking diversify eggs while its banned. Then unbann {second sunrise}

Edit: and may I add I realy don't like the idea of a deck that takes so long to finish the game. And am absolutely relived I never got to play against it

[Mikefrompluto]

Maybe they should make it a requirement that the top five players have to run something different every time they play? That will cause them to make different decks, and thus cause the format to freaking evolve and be diverse

First rule of brainwashing: make them think it's their idea. Not saying Wizards is brainwashing people, but there's no way that would fly. The easiest way for them to make people play something different is to ban certain cards and make people figure something else out on their own. Outright telling people what they HAVE to play would be the death of the Pro Tour.

[Death Gaara]

Woah I am pretty sure either dudecore or gorzo called the banning of an eggs component. Sorry can't remember which, but whoever you are, good job! Haha

Man that's sad...eggs was such a neat deck. And really, it's not that hard to beat post board. Why...

Actually I called it earlier as well. I even went as far as to say sell your eggs decks while you had the chances. Too bad I could not sell mine fast enough.

EDIT: This just proves my theories from earlier last week. Kudos to the newer players who whined at WotC until they gave them their way. You have killed another deck in Modern. Modern was already a joke of a format, but now it is just bone dry and stupid. I think I am done investing in Modern (Save fetches and shocks). I was going to build a variant of RUG Scapeshift, but they are just going to ban Cryptic Command next. So why even bother? No point in spending $130 on counterspells that are only going to be good for a little while longer. My only question is why is WotC having so much trouble managing this format? The concept was simple, the idea was easy, and the support could have been there. But instead they have went around in circles. Competitive Magic as a whole is really falling apart when you think about it. See if this makes any sense

Standard- Dominated by creatures, creatures, and more creatures.
Modern- Just Goodstuff.deks all day long. Nothing remotely creative. They just take other decks that were good and water them down into a new mess.
Legacy- True diversity. Too bad it is going to cost you a couple of zeros. The reserved list kills this format for those who have not been playing as long.
Vintage- WotC only holds one tourney a year for this. Same problem as Legacy except add several more zeros for the Power 9.

At least we still have these

EDH- Fun will ensue.
Pauper- Mainly budget, still lots of fun.
Limited- I enjoy it, always diverse. Is just expensive.

Notice anything about the above list? Only limited is an FNM format. EDH and Pauper are not official FNM formats. Standard gets more and more expensive, Modern is out of hand, and Legacy is out of reach for most. Are these really smart business decisions? I think not, but those who get everything handed to them or have no other hobbies will continue to sink money into this game. I really need to rethink my stance on competitive Magic. While I still do want to compete, I do not think I want to contend with all of this. Modern had restored some of my faith in how WotC was going to help people. Turns out all they did was reprint shocklands not to get more into print. They have convinced me of that. They only put them in RtR to sell a million packs. 

[Birdbrain]

Maybe there just trying to help us discover the "sleeping giants" they sow in each set. They've probably sown more than we know

[Death Gaara]

Maybe there just trying to help us discover the "sleeping giants" they sow in each set. They've probably sown more than we know

Perhaps. But I am more inclined to think that they just shot themselves in the foot again. Like I stated earlier, WotC does not care about the players. They are a business and their prime motivation is money. Where does the money come from? Newer players who have just been getting into the game and do not want to deal with the idea of powerful spells, combos, or complex interactions. Most of the people that started this game when it came out have started to settle down. Many older players now have families and other financial commitments. That means a large amount of the income now comes from their large newer playerbase. These newer players have migrated from games that rewarded aggressive play styles and put emphasis on attacking. WotC is just adapting and appealing to the crowd that will throw the most money at them. Sad, but I think that is the truth. I have nothing against newer players. I have nothing against WotC. I do have a problem with how WotC decided to go about getting the results they wanted. Shallow business practices when there are ways to appeal to both kinds of consumers.

[Silent1236]

Maybe there just trying to help us discover the "sleeping giants" they sow in each set. They've probably sown more than we know

Yeah, but when people discover the sleeping giants, WotC will just ban them anyway

And DG, I agree with everything you said, except for the bit about RTR shocks.  Shocks were on par with fetches until RtR.  Hard to find and expensive (for modern.)  New players in these creature-heavy environments will more than likely not run shocks because they are scared of the 2 damage they cause and there are already so many dual lands in standard that new players like (see tap lands and guildgates.)  IMO shocks have been reprinted and made more readily available to help push players into modern and boost standard for the more "professional" players.  While shock lands did stimulate more sales (the only reason I waste my money on GTC [man that is a horrible horrible set,]) they really helped people get into older formats.

[Birdbrain]

DG. What you said makes me wonder if there might be some truth about MaRo's article on the new new world order. Well, I have another suggested solution...start the new players with simple Johnny-ish cards. Make agressive creatures have Johnny-ish abilities but make them relatively simple, yet they can make a Johnny-ish aggro deck and not realize it. Or they could make a precon deck that's aggro creatures, with very simple yet creative interactions between the cards

[Birdbrain]

Come to think of it...fiery dawn was kind of like that...

[Death Gaara]

Maybe there just trying to help us discover the "sleeping giants" they sow in each set. They've probably sown more than we know

Yeah, but when people discover the sleeping giants, WotC will just ban them anyway

And DG, I agree with everything you said, except for the bit about RTR shocks.  Shocks were on par with fetches until RtR.  Hard to find and expensive (for modern.)  New players in these creature-heavy environments will more than likely not run shocks because they are scared of the 2 damage they cause and there are already so many dual lands in standard that new players like (see tap lands and guildgates.)  IMO shocks have been reprinted and made more readily available to help push players into modern and boost standard for the more "professional" players.  While shock lands did stimulate more sales (the only reason I waste my money on GTC [man that is a horrible horrible set,]) they really helped people get into older formats.

Sigh, It's times like this I wish the Internet had a sarcasm font. I was being sarcastic about the shocks. What I was trying to say is WotC's methods are very contradicting. They want a format that is diverse, but nuke any deck that is not one of the big 3-4. They promise to support the format, yet they have not been very successful. Through the manner of an ill formed joke, I stated that they probably just included te shocks to sell boosters. I know how expensive they were. That is when I unloaded all of mine. But I was trying to insinuate that they really do not care about the players. The fetches are up to where the shocks were. Some even higher than the ceiling on the shocks at there most expensive point. How do they handle this? They don't. Even Modern Masters is not going to help. If they really wanted to help they would put staples into circulation faster. It's not hard, but they would rather just cash grab then please consumers.