Goodbye Bomber Suspect

[Piotr]

So, in the end it's only about your own perverted sense of self satisfaction?

It is about justice defined as 'give to everyone what they deserve'. If you conciously murder innocent people you deserve logical punishment. Under iMtG Law death penalty seems perfectly logical for murder. No need to get emotional here.

It's about getting back at them, and making yourself feel a perverted sense of self satisfaction in that either

Yes, and I find denying the retribution part (vengeance) of the punishment from the victims morally unacceptable. The murderer can be punished regardless of his will, he has no say in this all, he forfeited the protection of the law when he broke it. It is not an evil deed to deal lawful punishment.

[Piotr]

Piotr mentioned reconciliation. For me that is the most important facet of justice. Too often we confuse justice with pure retribution but the math doesn't work when the death sentence is enacted. The people who suffered were not repaid. Yes, Dzhokha's life should be forfeit, but in lifelong servitude to the people of Boston. He should work in isolation cleaning, weeding, whatever labor is needed. When he works to the satisfaction of his supervisors, he eats. If he tries to leave confinement he dies. His life is in his hands, to live and serve or to withdraw and die. A lifetime of hard work may not be worth 3 people's lives but it is worth more than an easy death.

That is not restitution nor reconciliation, the person who was murdered was not my slave, he was a loved member of a family, slave cannot replace that life lost. A thousand slaves are not worth one life of any of my daughters, and I think it's logical enough.

In murder case restitution is not possible because we are unable to raise dead yet. We are only left with retribution and because no restitution is possible, we can go all the way to take the life of the murderer in revenge. That's how I see the logic of murder cases.

[Dudecore]

"Innocent people are too often sentenced to death.  Since 1973, over 140 people have been released from death rows in 26 states because of innocence.  Nationally, at least one person is exonerated for every 10 that are executed. " - ALCU

It sends the wrong message: why kill people who kill people to show killing is wrong? It is useless because it does not bring the victims life back. Also, it brings unnecessary stress and financial hardship to the families of those convicted. Particularly if they believe that individual is innocent - to have to watch the premeditated murder ceremony.

[Piotr]

Can you explain why the death penalty is logical and allowed for you to carry out, and why it is not for me to do to your daughter?

No idea what you mean.

[Birdbrain]

There saying how can you say kill the bomber suspect when you wouldn't let them murder your daughter

[Piotr]

Let's define some things then.

There's a fundamental difference between 'kill' and 'murder'. Killing is obvious. Murder is consciously killing an innocent person not in self defence. In murder cases, innocent person is a person not guilty of murder.

Killing murderers sends a rather simple message: if you murder then you will be killed.

[Piotr]

There saying how can you say kill the bomber suspect when you wouldn't let them murder your daughter

I wouldn't kill a suspect, that would be murder. I would kill a man proven guilty of murder, fundamental difference.

[Birdbrain]

And Kanga. What are you trying to say? Don't dance around it. Jump right in and just say it

[Piotr]

Mike, has God not killed people for their transgressions???

Christians believe we were made by Him like Him ;)

[Birdbrain]

I think the awnser to that one is God sees what's in a persons heart, there potential, shortcomings realized and otherwise. While we have a limited view. We only see what's on the outside, and the fruits of people's lives. So we can't determine whether this or that person should live or die

[Birdbrain]

God punished Sodom and Gomorra and the Canaanites because of what was in there hearts. Not because of there race 


So Piotr, are you saying we should kill this guy, yet God was unjust in Sodom and Gomorra, and the Canaanites. When he can see what's in a person and you can't?

[Bozo_Law]

This thread should be locked before we go into full internet machismo mode. We are already on the way there. By the way, I agree with Birdbrain.

[Mikefrompluto]

This thread should be locked before we go into full internet machismo mode. We are already on the way there. By the way, I agree with Birdbrain.

Have there been any victims yet?

[Bozo_Law]

This thread should be locked before we go into full internet machismo mode. We are already on the way there. By the way, I agree with Birdbrain.

Have there been any victims yet?

Not yet. But probably soon.

[Mikefrompluto]

This thread should be locked before we go into full internet machismo mode. We are already on the way there. By the way, I agree with Birdbrain.

Have there been any victims yet?

Not yet. But probably soon.

Until there is a victim, iMtG law is preventing us from locking this thread. That would be prevention by use of force.