Cauldron Haze

[Raven316]

If you cast {Cauldron Haze} on a creature and then it goes to the graveyard and comes back does it still have persist? Can it keep on coming back if you find a way to get rid of its -1/-1 counter?

[BlackJester]

No, it will lose persist, even if you can remove the counter.  Once an object moves from one zone to another, like BF to GY, the game treats it as a new object with no memory of it's former self.  Like that dude from Memento.

[Coffee Vampire]

So brought back objects from a GY are copies of the original?

[BlackJester]

Not exacty, they are the same card.  They just lose anything they had prior.  If they died with +3/+3 from a {Giant Growth}, they wouldn't have it when they came back.  If you cast {Undying Evil} on your {Sun Titan}, if your opponent {Flicker}'s it, it won't have undying when it comes back.

[Coffee Vampire]

Ah I see..good example thanks.

[Raven316]

Ok thanks

[Mentonin]

In flickers rulings it says that sorcerys won't unrecognize the permanent, while other effects will. Why is that?

[BlackJester]

In flickers rulings it says that sorcerys won't unrecognize the permanent, while other effects will. Why is that?

The rulings say that if {Flicker} wasn't a sorcery it could use it to effectively counter instants that target the creature.

[Mentonin]

Oh, I misread it. Ty jester