Cheaters never win

Started by prayos, January 12, 2013, 02:07:12 AM

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Dudecore

Information is the best solution to these situations. More people understand how that particular cheat works. There are plenty others. Sleight of hand tricks and other stacked shuffles (besides the Double Nickel) are used.

It's best to arm yourself with that knowledge. If you're really good at it, no one will ever know. Some magicians play MtG. When lots of money is on the line it brings out the worst in people.

An appropriate punishment should be suspension. Plenty of well known cheaters have been ousted, then they go play poker or something else. There isn't much to stop anyone from doing it, $40,000 is worth the risk.

Falcon182

Quote from: Dudecore on January 12, 2013, 06:29:20 PM
Information is the best solution to these situations. More people understand how that particular cheat works. There are plenty others. Sleight of hand tricks and other stacked shuffles (besides the Double Nickel) are used.

It's best to arm yourself with that knowledge. If you're really good at it, no one will ever know. Some magicians play MtG. When lots of money is on the line it brings out the worst in people.

An appropriate punishment should be suspension. Plenty of well known cheaters have been ousted, then they go play poker or something else. There isn't much to stop anyone from doing it, $40,000 is worth the risk.
How do you suggest addressing these situations if you notice them? Call Judge and hope the Judge agrees with you? I would feel like a jerk if they weren't doing it intentionally but is there a penalty for "false" judge calls?

Empathie

If he stopped going through the deck at 60 cards how did he know there was more than 60 battle of wits?

Falcon182

Quote from: Empathie on January 12, 2013, 06:33:09 PM
If he stopped going through the deck at 60 cards how did he know there was more than 60 battle of wits?

Doesn't matter, there can only be 4.

Dudecore

Just ask them to riffle shuffle 7 times. If you see them pile shuffling explain that it isn't sufficient for randomizing the deck. There is really no excuse for saying "no". I'd say most people just don't know, even Evan Erwin didn't and he's played forever. They just think they get good draws and hit their land drops.

Sleight of hand stuff is more difficult to track, but people have been busted before for doing it. Learn a few magician shuffles, magic tricks, deck stacking and float tricks.

smokin terry

Riffle duffle a couple times for your cut.

MarduArrow

Quote from: Birdbrain on January 12, 2013, 04:02:35 PM
Can someone provide a link on how to rifel shuffle please?

You should never riffle shuffle magic cards 😦

Langku

Quote from: S717 on January 12, 2013, 10:55:08 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on January 12, 2013, 04:02:35 PM
Can someone provide a link on how to rifel shuffle please?

You should never riffle shuffle magic cards 😦

Hear hear.

Richardalcala

I will never rifle shuffle my cards. Side shuffle no problem. 

Wally

Quote from: Piotr on January 12, 2013, 06:14:34 PM
If we had iMtG Tournament with iMtG Law to run it, what would you consider a good punishment* for a particular type of crime?

*good punishment = logical

I think the cane should be used..


Quote from: Richardalcala on January 12, 2013, 11:11:57 PM
I will never rifle shuffle my cards. Side shuffle no problem.

Isn't riffle shuffling the same as side shuffling?
Also with sleves this is made easier.

MarduArrow

No riffle shuffling is when you bend the cards and they make that horrible noise 😱

prayos

Quote from: Empathie on January 12, 2013, 06:33:09 PM
If he stopped going through the deck at 60 cards how did he know there was more than 60 battle of wits?

He stopped counting after the 60th  {Battle of Wits}.

Dudecore

Riffle shuffling magic cards is fine, they're designed to be bent enough to shuffle that way. You're not folding them in half, and you can shuffle them by the corners.

Read about magic card construction and shuffling methods. There is a lot of misinformation out there, including and not limited to their durability.

MarduArrow

My cousin would crucify you

Wally

Quote from: Dudecore on January 13, 2013, 12:03:32 PM
Riffle shuffling magic cards is fine, they're designed to be bent enough to shuffle that way. You're not folding them in half, and you can shuffle them by the corners.

Read about magic card construction and shuffling methods. There is a lot of misinformation out there, including and not limited to their durability.

Try that on someone else's legacy deck and you might just get stabbed. Durability or not... :/