Helm of Obedience, Planar Void, Leyline of the Void

Started by Raven316, December 12, 2012, 09:43:15 AM

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Raven316

The combo {Helm of obedience} + {rest in peace} do the cards : {planar void} and {let line of the void} also work instead of {Helm of obedience} ?

Keyeto

Yes. Any cards that force cards to exile instead of go to the graveyard will create an infinite mill with the helm.

Dudecore

{Leyline of the Void} yes. With Leyline of the Void, there's a replacement effect - the card never goes to the graveyard.

{Planar Void} no. It has a triggered ability that triggers when the card goes to the graveyard. It's not until the ability resolves that the card is removed (if its still there).

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Deathstorm

Quote from: Keyeto on December 12, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
Yes. Any cards that force cards to exile instead of go to the graveyard will create an infinite mill with the helm.
Actually u won't create an infinite mill you will mill only what x is

Keyeto

Quote from: Deathstorm on December 12, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: Keyeto on December 12, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
Yes. Any cards that force cards to exile instead of go to the graveyard will create an infinite mill with the helm.
Actually u won't create an infinite mill you will mill only what x is
The helm keeps milling until X is put into the graveyard. If no cards can go to the graveyard, it infinitely mills, trying to fulfill the condition.

Raven316

Quote from: Keyeto on December 12, 2012, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: Deathstorm on December 12, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: Keyeto on December 12, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
Yes. Any cards that force cards to exile instead of go to the graveyard will create an infinite mill with the helm.
Actually u won't create an infinite mill you will mill only what x is
The helm keeps milling until X is put into the graveyard. If no cards can go to the graveyard, it infinitely mills, trying to fulfill the condition.

Therefore the other 2 cards don't activate the infinite mill then?

Keyeto

Quote from: Raven316 on December 12, 2012, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: Keyeto on December 12, 2012, 10:23:12 AM
Quote from: Deathstorm on December 12, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: Keyeto on December 12, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
Yes. Any cards that force cards to exile instead of go to the graveyard will create an infinite mill with the helm.
Actually u won't create an infinite mill you will mill only what x is
The helm keeps milling until X is put into the graveyard. If no cards can go to the graveyard, it infinitely mills, trying to fulfill the condition.

Therefore the other 2 cards don't activate the infinite mill then?
Like Dudecore said, the leyline will, but the {Planar Void} will not. The leyline doesn't let the card hit the graveyard at all, so it will cause an infinite mill. Planar void exiles cards AFTER they hit the graveyard, so the helm will not go infinitely.

Dudecore

{X}, {T}: Target opponent puts cards from the top of his or her library into his or her graveyard until a creature card or X cards are put into that graveyard this way, whichever comes first. If a creature card is put into that graveyard this way, sacrifice Helm of Obedience and put that card into play under your control. X can't be 0.

Cards will never be "put into the graveyard" as long as {Rest in Peace} and/or {Leyline of the Void}

Raven316