Thundermaw Hellkite

ducttapetitan · December 03, 2012, 09:44:50 AM

Would this work?

Double-O-Scotch · December 03, 2012, 09:52:32 AM

{flicker} {thundermaw hellkite}

Double-O-Scotch · December 03, 2012, 09:53:16 AM

No. Flicker is a sorcery.

Double-O-Scotch · December 03, 2012, 09:55:03 AM

And {cloudshift} and {ghostly flicker} won't work cause you have to control it.

Greg54js · December 03, 2012, 09:56:19 AM

No op means he/she flickers her own 1/1 creature to prevent it from dying

Double-O-Scotch · December 03, 2012, 09:57:22 AM

With {leyline of anticipation} or {alchemist's refuge} it would bypass the sorcery shortcoming.

Greg54js · December 03, 2012, 10:00:03 AM

Okay let me try to clarify:
Op wants to know if flickering a creature after thundermaw etb's and his trigger is resolving if it's possible to cloudshift a 1/1 creature and save it from dying.

Which my answer would be yes you could

Double-O-Scotch · December 03, 2012, 10:03:23 AM

As long as its not a token. Ya. But he didn't mention another creature so the premise is confusing.

Kaleo42 · December 03, 2012, 10:35:58 AM

{day of judgment} situation here.

Does a 1/1 die to the Maw? Yes, does it matter what you to it before that wave of flame comes? Only if what your doing to it
makes it not die to 1 point of damage.

If you flicker a creature before the wave hits it pops back in and dies to the wave. If you flicker it after the wave (so the creature survived) then it does become untapped and free of that one point of damage.

Double-O-Scotch · December 03, 2012, 11:33:19 AM

Ya, but you could still flicker it after the damage is dealt to return it to play untapped. Lol period.

ducttapetitan · December 04, 2012, 07:24:20 AM

The big question is is does his ability go on the stack?

MisterJH · December 04, 2012, 08:19:18 AM

OK im trying to understand the stack better... I thought {Thundermaw Hellkite} went on the stack.. So then he flickers.. First in last, last out, therefore he would flicker out of play then back in, before the damage was dealt? Or am i a sad confused player?

Gorzo · December 04, 2012, 08:22:20 AM

Thundermaw does indeed use the stack. It goes down exactly as Testset describes.

MisterJH · December 04, 2012, 08:45:48 AM

So if it has 1 toughness.. It dies.. Regardless? Im kind of slow haha

Gorzo · December 04, 2012, 09:41:59 AM

Correct. If you flicker it in response to thundermaw, it will be back in play by the time thundermaw resolves, and will still get hit by the damage. It's not being targeted, so flickering it and making it into a new object as a result won't matter like it would with a target-related spell like doom blade.