Phantasmal Tatsumasa

[Spikepit]

This idea popped into my head after posting {Tatsumasa, the Dragon Fang} in another post.

If I use {Phantasmal Image}, or even {Quicksilver Gargantuan}, on the 5/5 Blue Drgon Spirit token, then the original token is {Doom Bladed} and the equipment it reverts to is then {Shattered}, will the {Phantasmal Image} of the Blue Dragon Token bring back {Tatsumasa, the Dragon Fang} from the graveyard later when it finally dies? Or does the specific use of the word 'that token dies' in the card text mean only the original token can trigger this effect?

[BlackJester]

Skill tester there.
It specifies that token, so copies of the token can't revive the equipment. Pity.

[Spikepit]

Skill tester there.
It specifies that token, so copies of the token can't revive the equipment. Pity.

ðŸ˜"yeah I figured. Oh well!

[Prophylaxis]

Can you put Tatsumasa in a non-blue EDH deck?

[BlackJester]

Can you put Tatsumasa in a non-blue EDH deck?

That you should be able to do. No mana symbols, no color-defining characteristics of the card, just of the token.

[Spikepit]

Can you put Tatsumasa in a non-blue EDH deck?

That you should be able to do. No mana symbols, no color-defining characteristics of the card, just of the token.

Thats my argument with the boys! But they still wont allow it in my deck. I reckon from fear.

[BlackJester]

Again, I'm not 100% on this one, but here are the "official" rules from mtgcommander.net:

A card's colour identity is its colour plus the colour of any mana symbols in the card's rules text. A card's colour identity is established before the game begins, and cannot be changed by game effects.
The Commander's colour identity restricts what cards may appear in the deck.

-Cards in a deck may not have any colours in their identity which are not shared with the commander of the deck. (The identity of each card in the deck must be a subset of the General's)
-Lands whose type includes swamp, island, plains, forest and/or mountain (e.g.: basic lands, shocklands, dual lands, Shadowmoor special-basics, etc) DO contain the corresponding mana symbol(s) as per CR 305.6. As such, while they are "colourless" they do have a colour identity and may not appear in a deck unless the Commander is of the appropriate identity.
-While hybrid mana symbols may be played with either colour mana, they contribute both colours to the card's colour identity. Therefore they may only be played with a Commander whose identity includes ALL of the hybrid symbols' colours.
-Basic land words (swamp, forest, etc) in the text box of a card do NOT represent a coloured mana symbol. They are not restricted to Commander of the same colour identity.
-Reminder text is not included in the colour identity of a card.

[Greg54js]

So based on these this sparked I question about my edh... I run {glissa, the traitor} and an {agonizing demise} can the demise be in th deck because it's kicker is a red cost?

[BlackJester]

So based on these this sparked I question about my edh... I run {glissa, the traitor} and an {agonizing demise} can the demise be in th deck because it's kicker is a red cost?

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No.

[Greg54js]

Thanks