Evil twin/clone

Started by Imdowd80, July 24, 2012, 09:23:17 PM

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scarsabrex

flight and grounded don't create replacement effects.

BlackJester

Quote from: Testset on July 25, 2012, 01:11:29 PM
I was researching this one, and in 613.08 they give the example of a creature enchanted with both {Flight} and {Grounded}. The determination is that with two contradicting effects like these, you default to the last one applied in timestamp order. Wouldn't that apply here?
That is the interaction of static abilities.  Yes, timestamp (most recent on the Battlefield) order applies.

I'm working on the wall of text about EofW and the Twin.  It's an interesting rules interaction, but not simple.

scarsabrex

the player or controller of the affected object chooses which replacement effect comes into place first.

BlackJester

Quote from: Testset on July 25, 2012, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on July 25, 2012, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: Testset on July 25, 2012, 01:11:29 PM
I was researching this one, and in 613.08 they give the example of a creature enchanted with both {Flight} and {Grounded}. The determination is that with two contradicting effects like these, you default to the last one applied in timestamp order. Wouldn't that apply here?
That is the interaction of static abilities.  Yes, timestamp (most recent on the Battlefield) order applies.

I'm working on the wall of text about EofW and the Twin.  It's an interesting rules interaction, but not simple.
From what I'm seeing, the Comprehensive Rules didn't have an example for contradicting replacement effects. My gut reaction is that they would follow timestamp, since they do not use the stack.
616.1

BlackJester

We've had the ruling for some time, I'm just working on trying to explain ET and the EotW.

Imdowd80


BlackJester

Quote from: Imdowd80 on July 25, 2012, 04:50:50 PM
I'm so lost
If you copy an Evil Twin that's a copy of third creature, your copy will be of the third creature with Evil Twin's ability.

Confirmed.

Imdowd80

Quote from: BlackJester on July 25, 2012, 05:03:29 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on July 25, 2012, 04:50:50 PM
I'm so lost
If you copy an Evil Twin that's a copy of third creature, your copy will be of the third creature with Evil Twin's ability.

Confirmed.
Thanks, I know it got said somewhere in there. Just everything else... Made my brain hurt.