Make a real deck people

[Brandalog]

Not many people I've seen will post suggestions anymore, I'm not sure why but I'm sure it's because the title of the deck doesn't interest them that much. Idk about the different threads for competitive or fun things. I'm not for sure how that would work out. It'd probably be about the same as it is now.

[Kaleo42]

I think that is a good idea. I have seen many decks not commented on because it is hard to tell if it is for competitive or mainly fun. So suggestions are hard to give.

The definately a problem for me, most the decks I win with are underplayed achitypes that will soon see too much play, or a fun deck for me that happens to counter the meta well enough to place me top 4 regularly.
Should we just add "comp." to the tital of the decks that are meant to win 1st?

[Richardalcala]

I understand that people just want to make fun time fnm decks sometimes. I just don't think publicly announcing them should be warranted. I know there is no fun deck consensus for some people because they are really trying to make an original deck. Well I applaud your creativity but you've got to live in reality a bit. There's only about 240 cards in the upcoming set m13 and i dont count many  cards that are worth playing for tournament play.

You've go to apply what you think you currently know About standard (or whatever format, but mostly this one) to what this meta game is and try to predict what may come of it. That's magic. Every time you go to a big tournament the meta game evolves to its surroundings. Whether it be regionals, states, scg trials, ptq trials  etc etc. you have Ito adapt to what you think will happen. So get out others and ascertain a knowledge of what people are playing!

If u think my deck sucks than meet up with me on cockatrice and I can show you it is pretty competive. Otherwise if u don't like what you see keep scrolling down. It's not that hard I do it all the time. It is a real deck. I have taken it to FNM 2 times and done well I just need to work the kinks out that is why I post it. So I can get feedback. If you want net decks just goggle.

[Cindjor]

Honestly I don't see the problem with playin a fun deck that is decently consistent. I like to build decks for the lulz that win with different creatures and abilities. I like building red decks where I win turn 3-4 and it can't be stopped.

What's the big deal with people asking for suggestions or help? I'm on a budget and I like seeing pauper decks that are actually competitive! If you understand how a deck works or what the deck maker is going for, then make suggestions or ideas. I hate seeing decks that are "just add swords, jitte" so BORING. I have a friend who loved the idea of magic and got into it and bought cards but now he's disillusioned with magic because it seems more and more to him that the more money you can spend on cards is what makes you win.  I hate that and I'll purposely make decks to prove that the rare decks are NOT what wins but people like OP only want the top 8 decks THAT WIN TOURNEYS. sorry we don't all play at Jon Finkel's level dude. Some people just want to enjoy the game.

[smokin terry]

The main problem I have about posting suggestions is I'm one that needs to see the cards (especially now that I'm getting back in after most of a whole block) and I look at the mechanics of cards not type. That is my problem with deck builders, they set up creature here, instants here, ect. For me to truly help with a deck I look at like draw here, big hitter here, spot removal here, board wipe there, ramp there, and so on. That is the main reason I don't help as much. I kinda can't.

[Agrajagzz9]

I mean the bottom line here is that this topic section is titled standard. Not standard competitive. NOt top 8 standard. Not even standard fnm. Just standard. And standard, while a factor of tournament rules is also a format for deck building regardless of their status in local or regional tournament placings. Let people post whatever decks they want whether it be tourny, pauper, or just for the Lulz. Honestly this whole threat is stupid. If u don't want to see people's non tournament deck then don't. Just don't read deck lists and post. There are enough people on this forum that it can get along just fine. Seriously if u can spend the two minutes to give someone your thoughts that cool but either shut the hell up or show yourself out for all I am concerned. This app is about helping each other and learning how to build decks and that is more than just net decking. Let people brew their own and just don't comment but don't make people feel bad because their decks arent what you feel to be worthy of you precious time

[Ace]

I mean the bottom line here is that this topic section is titled standard. Not standard competitive. NOt top 8 standard. Not even standard fnm. Just standard. And standard, while a factor of tournament rules is also a format for deck building regardless of their status in local or regional tournament placings. Let people post whatever decks they want whether it be tourny, pauper, or just for the Lulz. Honestly this whole threat is stupid. If u don't want to see people's non tournament deck then don't. Just don't read deck lists and post. There are enough people on this forum that it can get along just fine. Seriously if u can spend the two minutes to give someone your thoughts that cool but either shut the hell up or show yourself out for all I am concerned. This app is about helping each other and learning how to build decks and that is more than just net decking. Let people brew their own and just don't comment but don't make people feel bad because their decks arent what you feel to be worthy of you precious time

Very well said!

[Elite621]

I feel like some things are being over looked. Im fairly new at this forum, but i get a sense that this forum is intended for what you will take to fnm or how to take a jank idea and make it worth fnm. I have posted winning decks that are not even close to the general top teir and recieved little to know feed back or questions about the decks. It seems if the deck already wins then people feel no need to make it better (or worse not figure out why it wins). Most of the players on here are either short budget or short collection (im short budget, but my collection is pooled with two others and through smart trades i can build anythig without swords). They need to know how to make their what seems kitchen table deck into a good fnm without breaking the bank.
If this is a real problem for more than one person, maybe we need a code tag for competitive threads that will hint top players that this thread is worth their time.

X2

But I play in many different standard settings, so I find everything I see here, I learn from.

[Brandalog]

Yeah, sorry, but this is kinda lame. Just skip threads you're not interested in, that's what I do every time someone posts u/w delver.

And where would noobs go for help if not here? The point of this forum us for players to get advice so they can improve their play, regardless of the deck. As a pretty seasoned player myself, I think some of these off-the-wall decks are actually pretty helpful. They help us look outside the delver/pod/solar flare archetypes that are swamping standard right now. And even if many of these decks are not competitive, they might put forth interesting card interactions some more senior players might overlook.

The day I feel like I deserve to be separated from less experienced players is the day I will no longer want to play Magic. Just my two cents.

^ this.
I enjoy chatting with newer and older players, either way you learn something you may not have already known. I like having the forums open to new ideas and homebrews. It can get your own mind thinking.

[BlackJester]

The logic of the forum is that, if you post a deck the Standard section, by virtue of the fact that you didn't post it in Casual, means you intend the deck to be competitive.  By posting in this section, you are presenting your deck to the community either for aid to make your deck better, or to educate others.  Bare in mind that there are many novices here looking for guidance, and their decks may require work to reach a competitive state.

If members have a personal spin on the latest RUG Delver or Wolf's Run or whatever, feel free to pass it by if you are not interested.

Please feel free to label decks FNM, PTQ or other such labels so that readers can see immediately what competitive level is expected, and critique accordingly.

Let's keep this community fun and troll-lite (I can't expect a troll free zone, this IS the internet after all).   ;D

[Kuberr]

Oh bj. ;)

[Kaleo42]

Well said jester. I personally have greatly enjoyed the sheer creativity of those who post here, but i am a little sad when i see multiple beginner decks in a row. Is there a thread for the basic concepts of building competitive decks already? If not i would love to get one stickied so a lot of the basic questions people ask can be answered real quick.

[BlackJester]

Well said jester. I personally have greatly enjoyed the sheer creativity of those who post here, but i am a little sad when i see multiple beginner decks in a row. Is there a thread for the basic concepts of building competitive decks already? If not i would love to get one stickied so a lot of the basic questions people ask can be answered real quick.

Problem is, the resources are out there.  If they don't look there, they're unlikely to look at the stickied "Start Here" area.  Many times I answer rules questions that players could find for themselves in the stickied Rule Book.  But, since you asked:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/rc/188

Gavin Verhey's series ReConstructed is a great resource on competitive deck building and analysis. 

[CajunJynx]

My RDW's are pretty much undefeated, and def not "tier one". But I have found casual play with friends and limited tourney's much more satisfying lately.

[CajunJynx]

And yes, I spank tier one on the regular with my RDW and RW "Jynx special".