BW Heartless

Deeliser10 · December 22, 2011, 08:13:47 PM

BW Heartless

60 cards, 0 sideboard

4 {Isolated Chapel}
9 {Swamp}
9 {Plains}
2 {Seachrome Coast}

24 lands

2 {Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite}
4 {Palladium Myr}
4 {Myr Superion}
1 {Massacre Wurm}
1 {Wurmcoil Engine}
1 {Bloodgift Demon}
4 {Rune-Scarred Demon}
2 {Spellskite}
4 {Solemn Simulacrum}
1 {Sheoldred, Whispering One}
4 {Fiend Hunter}
1 {Steel Hellkite}
2 {Phyrexian Metamorph}
1 {Indomitable Archangel}

32 creatures

4 {Heartless Summoning}

4 other spells

Sideboard

Prophylaxis · December 22, 2011, 08:18:19 PM

More removal? Not an expert on the Heartless Summoning decks.

Deeliser10 · December 22, 2011, 09:06:54 PM

There are built in removals ie {skinrender}. {massacre Wurm} {perilous myr}. And {elesh}. Some of the ramp allows for some hard casting without the heartless, but with {heartless summoning} in play, the deck can be punishing.

I am not in love with the {sunblast angel} and have been considering {tempered steel} for creature boost and {lilliana} for some early game control.

BlackJester · December 22, 2011, 09:21:43 PM

I dunno, many o the creatures are removal too. I'm thinking a full set of the {Solemn Simulacrum}s to get land, or dig into your deck if you don't get Heartless.

Deeliser10 · December 22, 2011, 09:27:14 PM

Maybe a {steel hellkite} or 2 for non creature removal too?

BlackJester · December 22, 2011, 10:20:39 PM

Quote from: Deeliser10 on December 22, 2011, 09:27:14 PM
Maybe a {steel hellkite} or 2 for non creature removal too?

Might be a good outlet for late game mana, assuming it goes to late game.

Deeliser10 · December 23, 2011, 12:13:45 AM

So would {ratchet bomb} be a better play?

BlackJester · December 23, 2011, 01:26:09 AM

Quote from: Deeliser10 on December 23, 2011, 12:13:45 AM
So would {ratchet bomb} be a better play?

Too slow. One of the problems I see for this deck is handling fatties. Ones that survive the -2/-2 or small damage from {Perilous Myr}. I was thinking {Fiend Hunter} in place of the {Oblivion Ring}s so that you could go full creature. But OR is such a good removal spell because it can handle any permanent.

Prophylaxis · December 23, 2011, 02:13:06 AM

Quote from: BlackJester on December 23, 2011, 01:26:09 AM
Quote from: Deeliser10 on December 23, 2011, 12:13:45 AM
So would {ratchet bomb} be a better play?

Too slow. One of the problems I see for this deck is handling fatties. Ones that survive the -2/-2 or small damage from {Perilous Myr}. I was thinking {Fiend Hunter} in place of the {Oblivion Ring}s so that you could go full creature. But OR is such a good removal spell because it can handle any permanent.

What about the staple black removal spells - {Doom Blade} and {Go for the Throat} come to mind.

Queezle · December 23, 2011, 08:22:35 AM

Are you set on having this be standard cause if not here
{Nip Gwyllion} {Havest Gwyllion} {Divinity of Pride} {Edge of the Divinity} {Bloodied Ghost} and for removal {Unmake} if you are keeping it standard then dont follow my advice.

Deeliser10 · December 23, 2011, 09:31:44 AM

Other than a few older cards from fourth edition, all of my collection is standard. I like the fiend hunters. Will try those and and construct a side board based on some of the issues.

MacUser001 · December 23, 2011, 10:10:35 AM

Fiend Hunters would be awesome in this. I like it. What I imagine to be. I've had a friend who's wanted to do a BW Heartless just because of Elish Norn. I just personally prefer Massacre and Sheoldred.

Deeliser10 · December 23, 2011, 10:34:55 AM

So go down to 2 {fiend hunters} and 2{skinrenders}?

BlackJester · December 23, 2011, 11:25:40 AM

I'd keep the {Skinrender}. Go down to one {Rune-scarred Demon}? Sideboard?

I was thinking you could side out the O-rings (;)) for the {Fiend Hunter}. Tag them
In if non-creatures (Planeswalkers, Lands, etc) are giving troubles.

Deeliser10 · December 23, 2011, 02:06:57 PM

So a true heartless deck should have all creatures with 4 {heartless summonings} and then a side board for other decks